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It is these people who make the Yes campaign something I just can't vote for. Granted they distance themselves from extreme groups but the Yes newsletter that comes through my door still exploits common misconceptions about England.


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What does it say in the Yes campaign newsletter about England?
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There is absolutely no evidence for this

Really, most Scottish people I know don't even no who Longshanks was
Crimes against members of one in the other country will help there.


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What does it say in the Yes campaign newsletter about England?
That we are friends of Scotland but we have a tendency to vote Tory. This was from a few weeks back.


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Most does not equal more than half. Most means that highest number of people voting a particular party. Since when does most mean it has to be over 50%? I'll tell you when...since never!
You should look at a dictionary. A majority is more than 50% (or most), a plurality is a relative majority where the actual support is less that 50% (and, of course, not most).
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You are insane.


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Hahahah

Most does not means it has to be more than half! Are you trolling!?!?!

Definition of most: the greater number

Does not say : the greater number as long as its over 50%.

You are mental.
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It is these people who make the Yes campaign something I just can't vote for. Granted they distance themselves from extreme groups but the Yes newsletter that comes through my door still exploits common misconceptions about England.


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I have 15 yes letters with me right now. NONE use the word England on them....
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Crimes against members of one in the other country will help there.


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Not really. Even if there was a higher crime rate on English people by Scottish people than the other way around (which I doubt), it would not be a causation argument as it may only be a correlation. There are other factors which contribute to crime such as economics, poverty, location etc
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That we are friends of Scotland but we have a tendency to vote Tory. This was from a few weeks back.


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May I ask what paper you read this in?
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May I ask what paper you read this in?
The Yes campaign newsletter. Don't have it on me right now but will get you the print date when I can.


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That we are friends of Scotland but we have a tendency to vote Tory. This was from a few weeks back.


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That isn't exactly a misconception, Scotland does tend to vote left wing more in general.
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Hahahah

Most does not means it has to be more than half! Are you trolling!?!?!

Definition of most: the greater number

Does not say : the greater number as long as its over 50%.

You are mental.
The greater number of Scots did not vote SNP.


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The Yes campaign newsletter. Don't have it on me right now but will get you the print date when I can.


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No problem

If they did say that then it is regrettable

I have said from the start that I hate negative campaigning

It does not mean that the majority of people who support Scottish Independence have an issue with English people though
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That isn't exactly a misconception, Scotland does tend to vote left wing more in general.
The comment wasn't about Scottish voting tendencies. Sometimes the party I want isn't elected-I accept that and so should other voters.


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The greater number of Scots did not vote SNP.


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The greater number of scots voted SNP compared to any other individual political party.

The greater number of scots did NOT vote tory compared to any other individual political party.

Yet David Scameron is still the prime minister reposnible for Scotland. You are being silly now. You are being misleading. You are doing what the no campaign do. Mislead...and lie.

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The comment wasn't about Scottish voting tendencies. Sometimes the party I want isn't elected-I accept that and so should other voters.


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How can a comment comparing how Scotland votes to England not be about Scottish voting tendancies?

Scotland vote has only changed the outcome something like twice in decades. I know how democracy works! Thats why I want it for Scotland!

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Both sides do this.
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Both sides do this.
I disagree with that.

Both sides mislead, one more than another.

Only the No campaign have been caught lying. See Margaret thatchers documents that were hidden for years. The No campaign denied their existence, they were then found to exist.

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I disagree with that.

Both sides mislead, one more than another.

Only the No campaign have been caught lying. See Margaret thatchers documents that were hidden for years. The No campaign denied there existence.

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Politicians are on both sides. Without sounding patronizing to yourself, all politicians lie.
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The greater number of scots voted SNP compared to any other individual political party.

The greater number of scots did NOT vote tory compared to any other individual political party.

Yet David Scameron is still the prime minister reposnible for Scotland. You are being silly now. You are being misleading. You are doing what the no campaign do. Mislead...and lie.

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So what!

Greater London, with a population 50% greater than Scotland and a GDP 30% greater than that of Scotland, though with only 23% more MPs, didn't get the government it voted for either. Are you suggesting it should go for independence too?
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So what!

Greater London, with a population 50% greater than Scotland and a GDP 30% greater than that of Scotland, though with only 23% more MPs, didn't get the government it voted for either. Are you suggesting it should go for independence too?
What has GDP got to do with this? I'm sure you are not suggesting that having a higher GDP (if thats even true) means you should somehow have more of a say. Why mention GDP?

Well if it wants to yeh! All they have to do is form a party that will fight for a greater london government with devolved powers, then vote a party into power that promises a referendum on greater londons independence, then get a majority in a system designed to prevent it! If it can gather support for that then go for it haha!
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