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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Christ. Those stats.

    Ours: Coutinho (10), Firmino (9), Benteke (8), Milner (7), Sturridge (7), Lallana (5).

    Fair enough, we've had to contend with injuries, but I'd argue none of those players have given their fair share - bar, perhaps, Milner. He has the benefit of set-pieces, though.
    And Sturridge if you look at minutes per goal. Coutinho is scoring a goal every 3 games so yeah for an AM/left midfielder that's fair. The real issue with Coutinho is his attempted shots per goal. Firmino is very clinical and wasn't in the team for ages so you'd say he's given his share. Milner is not a goalscorer and that wasn't why he was bought.

    You also have to look at the fact that Dortmund are clearly much better than every team bar for one while Liverpool are not therefore comparing it(especially in a weaker league than the prem in terms of midtable teams) to each other goal wise is unfair...
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    And Sturridge if you look at minutes per goal. Coutinho is scoring a goal every 3 games so yeah for an AM/left midfielder that's fair.
    Agreed. Coutinho has had injuries, too.

    Henderson's stats fly in the face of what I enjoy seeing him do. He's probably our only player who makes lung-busting runs into the box, and we saw that in both legs against Man United. He missed a couple of glaring opportunities, though. If he could convert those, he'd be a much more complete player and - if he had better numbers in the final third - maybe we wouldn't be hearing this current speculation over his future.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Christ. Those stats.

    Ours: Coutinho (10), Firmino (9), Benteke (8), Milner (7), Sturridge (7), Lallana (5).

    Fair enough, we've had to contend with injuries, but I'd argue none of those players have given their fair share - bar, perhaps, Milner. He has the benefit of set-pieces, though.
    Jam's point about Dortmund being in a weaker German league is very important but the difference is still crazy.

    The sad thing is that we don't have "that striker" to bag us 30 goals per season - hell not even 20. Leicester have Vardy. Spurs have Kane, City have Aguero, Chelsea have Costa.

    Arsenal are an exception because a lot of their midfielders contribute and make up the numbers, but it's not hard to see why United and Liverpool are as far down as we are.

    Looking at the stats above and considering our injuries, I'd say that Coutinho and Firmino have done well; the former because he has been assisting too, and the latter particularly because he had to adapt to English football and has done so really well. Aside from those, we simply do not get enough goals around the midfield to compensate for inconsistent/injury-plagued strikers.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Agreed. Coutinho has had injuries, too.

    Henderson's stats fly in the face of what I enjoy seeing him do. He's probably our only player who makes lung-busting runs into the box, and we saw that in both legs against Man United. He missed a couple of glaring opportunities, though. If he could convert those, he'd be a much more complete player and - if he had better numbers in the final third - maybe we wouldn't be hearing this current speculation over his future.
    Has Henderson been running into the box so much this season? Seems like Henderson/Can have been playing a double pivot role where one goes and the other stays but Can seems to have been running forward with the ball more than Henderson (compared to the season before where Henderson made loads of runs).

    Hoping it's not the heel problem which stops that part of his game. Maybe it's tactical? Maybe he's trying to take more responsibility in covering the defence. Hoping a pre-season will help sort him out a little.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Has Henderson been running into the box so much this season? Seems like Henderson/Can have been playing a double pivot role where one goes and the other stays but Can seems to have been running forward with the ball more than Henderson (compared to the season before where Henderson made loads of runs).

    Hoping it's not the heel problem which stops that part of his game. Maybe it's tactical? Maybe he's trying to take more responsibility in covering the defence. Hoping a pre-season will help sort him out a little.
    Henderson definitely has a more natural ability to link up with the likes of Coutinho and Lallana rather than Can. I actually thought Henderson was one of our best players on Saturday, and he seemed to be bailing out both Can and Milner at times.

    I thought Dembele had a great game, but when you see some of Henderson's numbers, they are impeccable: he won the ball 16 times for us via interceptions, wins 8/10 tackles, and what's more key for me, is that whenever he gets the ball he is directly looking for Coutinho to spring an attack.

    I'm not sure whether he's got it in him to be a box-to-box midfielder for 90 minutes twice a week right now. Hopefully he's on the mend, though. As I say, I thought he was great this weekend considering he was accommodating for Can and Milner.
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    I don't know where the whole 'lung-busting runs' into the box thing comes from. There's actually very few goals where he's done that. A counter-attack goal thanks to a perfect Coutinho through ball against Villa 3 seasons ago, a ridiculously lucky one (defenders sliding clearance deflecting off him into the net) last year against Swansea, and maybe one to get on the end of a cross in Europe last season. That's 3 goals in 4 seasons under Rodgers and Klopp where he's largely been the first choice box to box mid.

    What he actually is good at, and does regularly, is get into positions to shoot from the edge of the area. Places himself well when the play is busy and he's almost always an option there. He's scored a few from the edge of the box for us but it's his wastefulness in the area that's most grating. Too many very easy chances being wasted by him there. He has no composure and his technique is consistently horrific. It's irritating that none of our coaches have fixed this. It's the same error every time, lean back too much, mistime the ball, usually sidefooting it skewing wide of the keeper's right or high to his left.
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    (Original post by Parties in LA)
    I don't know where the whole 'lung-busting runs' into the box thing comes from. There's actually very few goals where he's done that. A counter-attack goal thanks to a perfect Coutinho through ball against Villa 3 seasons ago, a ridiculously lucky one (defenders sliding clearance deflecting off him into the net) last year against Swansea, and maybe one to get on the end of a cross in Europe last season. That's 3 goals in 4 seasons under Rodgers and Klopp where he's largely been the first choice box to box mid.

    What he actually is good at, and does regularly, is get into positions to shoot from the edge of the area. Places himself well when the play is busy and he's almost always an option there. He's scored a few from the edge of the box for us but it's his wastefulness in the area that's most grating. Too many very easy chances being wasted by him there. He has no composure and his technique is consistently horrific. It's irritating that none of our coaches have fixed this. It's the same error every time, lean back too much, mistime the ball, usually sidefooting it skewing wide of the keeper's right or high to his left.
    The reputation comes from the 13/14 and 14/15 season. It's a bit overstated but he was the one who made the late runs into the box (which similarly leads into getting into positions to shoot from the edge of the box). Using goals to judge his runs into the box isn't correct since as you've pointed out, he doesn't seem to have a knack for knowing how to score. However if you looked at the number of chances/shots he's taken from late runs, it would be much higher (I don't have those stats though).

    It's a criticism across the entire pitch though - everyone should have around 50% more goals than they do this season. Our CBs aren't scoring, you expect Moreno to get a couple more considering how high he gets up the pitch and some of the goals he's scored in the past, Can doesn't get as many, Milner's return looks poor once you strip out penalties, Lallana scored/assists loads in his last season at Southampton, etc etc
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    I reckon Henderson is possibly keeping himself fit for the euros too so is not overexerting himself as your season is likely over.
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    (Original post by bammy jastard 27)
    I reckon Henderson is possibly keeping himself fit for the euros too so is not overexerting himself as your season is likely over.
    It's also not clear if his heel issue is still hindering him.

    I wonder that more about Sturridge in some ways. We've not seen him sprint at full pelt yet and I wonder if that is because he doesn't trust his body yet or whether he's got an eye on our EL progress (e.g. a potential final) or the Euros.
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    Firmino on the plane to Germany but will need to prove his fitness.
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    (Original post by mr tim)
    Firmino on the plane to Germany but will need to prove his fitness.
    Since he's one booking away from missing the 2nd leg, I'd rather him not play if he's fully fit. Give him 20-30 minutes in the PL game and the weekend and he'll be back fit to face Dortmund at Anfield

    Let's be honest, Dortmund will know we have 4 or 5 first team players who can't afford a yellow, so like any team would they're gonna try their hardest to get them booked. We'll be missing a few in the return leg so at least we have the option of guaranteeing Firmino isn't one of them.
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    Since he's one booking away from missing the 2nd leg, I'd rather him not play if he's fully fit. Give him 20-30 minutes in the PL game and the weekend and he'll be back fit to face Dortmund at Anfield

    Let's be honest, Dortmund will know we have 4 or 5 first team players who can't afford a yellow, so like any team would they're gonna try their hardest to get them booked. We'll be missing a few in the return leg so at least we have the option of guaranteeing Firmino isn't one of them.
    Agree - don't see the point in risking him. Surely we go with 3 across the middle and then Sturride, Coutinho and Lallana?

    Although maybe Klopp wants Firmino to lead the line and he's actually the most familar with Dortmund in the squad?
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    The reputation comes from the 13/14 and 14/15 season. It's a bit overstated but he was the one who made the late runs into the box (which similarly leads into getting into positions to shoot from the edge of the box). Using goals to judge his runs into the box isn't correct since as you've pointed out, he doesn't seem to have a knack for knowing how to score. However if you looked at the number of chances/shots he's taken from late runs, it would be much higher (I don't have those stats though).
    Given the bold I don't know why you've overlooked the distinction I made in my post. When he takes up intelligent positions to shoot from the edge of the area, by and large, they're not as a result of a 'lung busting run into the box' a la Lampard. He places himself well for the lay-off to the edge of the box and usually he's fairly static. See goals vs Swansea, Norwich, Burnley, Leicester, West Brom, and more in recent seasons (and hundreds of missed chances, all in the same technique I earlier described).

    And if his production from late runs is so awful (which it is) then why would it be anything that defines him as a player/worth discussing as a major plus point of his. It's not.
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    (Original post by Parties in LA)
    Given the bold I don't know why you've overlooked the distinction I made in my post. When he takes up intelligent positions to shoot from the edge of the area, by and large, they're not as a result of a 'lung busting run into the box' a la Lampard. He places himself well for the lay-off to the edge of the box and usually he's fairly static. See goals vs Swansea, Norwich, Burnley, Leicester, West Brom, and more in recent seasons (and hundreds of missed chances, all in the same technique I earlier described).

    And if his production from late runs is so awful (which it is) then why would it be anything that defines him as a player/worth discussing as a major plus point of his. It's not.
    Probably because I'm not as pedantic as you. I'm generally talking about Henderson getting into attacking positions whether he runs through to the 6 yard box or gets into the penalty box or is just outside the penalty box in an attacking position to score.

    Not sure what you are trying to narrowing characterise as 'lung busting run into the box' a la Lampard. Isn't getting into an attacking position the same as getting into an attacking position?

    Err you were disputing that he gets into the box..? I was just pointing out you can make that run even if you don't score from it.
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