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    (Original post by Beska)
    Second lecture and I've already fallen into the "I have no idea how much depth I need to go into" trap. The learning outcome thing is relatively simple, but the lecturer went into detail about random things that have nothing to do with the learning outcome. Any advice? :o:
    Awww. The learning outcomes are what you get examined on. Have they told you how they make the exams up? As long as you know the big picture and how to work out DNA -> protein progression. The merit questions tend to be really odd things that you can't predict.

    (Original post by Beska)
    Like really simple stuff on proteins and stuff. The learning outcome is something like "describe the structure of proteins in terms of primary, secondary and tertiary structure and understand how primary structure affects 2nd, 3rd, 4th structure and function" but the lecturer was going on about how we need to group all the amino acids into different groups and remember them or something and I have no idea wtf.

    As in they are too detailed?
    as in hydrophilic, neutral and hydrophobic or something else? Ignore him, get the basics down and then you can add in fancy details (and promptly forget them after the exam)

    As in going way down the rabbit hole. Knowing the basics well is what you should concentrate on atm.
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    (Original post by Beska)
    Like really simple stuff on proteins and stuff. The learning outcome is something like "describe the structure of proteins in terms of primary, secondary and tertiary structure and understand how primary structure affects 2nd, 3rd, 4th structure and function" but the lecturer was going on about how we need to group all the amino acids into different groups and remember them or something and I have no idea wtf.

    As in they are too detailed?

    Seriously dont worry. Follow the learning outcomes dont do more than you have to. The people that teach you in the first few years are scientists so they want you to know everything in great detail. Science is their pride and joy.

    If this helps when i read the protein thing i have no idea what your talking about i know carbon is in there somewhere because its involved in pretty much everything!

    Another thing enjoy non clinical years as much as you can. I was contemplating a very large glass of wine at lunch time!
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    Got to write up my first prescription chart today, just after the F1 told me about a case at chichester last year where 125mg of digoxin was given. May have been extra extra cautious!
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    Can you be an anaesthetist and not be involved in much perioperative stuff? Just go down the critical care/ITU type route?
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    (Original post by RollerBall)
    If it helps, I still have no idea what you look like. I'm pretty sure you introduced yourself to me during mummies and daddies too when I was semi-conscious outside good sams.

    YES you took my advice. I tried to save as many freshers as I could from performing medicine this morning as we had a lecture before them but they all went in anyway. Alas, I tried. Their boredome can not be blamed on me.
    Yeh that was me I'm sure but I haven't really seen you since then to be honest :erm:

    There have been so many pointless things though if I'm honest, apart from this PBL write-up which isn't too bad, and the fact I have a relatively organised SSC group who want to get everything done really early :sigh:
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    (Original post by Lantana)
    Awww. The learning outcomes are what you get examined on. Have they told you how they make the exams up? As long as you know the big picture and how to work out DNA -> protein progression. The merit questions tend to be really odd things that you can't predict.



    as in hydrophilic, neutral and hydrophobic or something else? Ignore him, get the basics down and then you can add in fancy details (and promptly forget them after the exam)

    As in going way down the rabbit hole. Knowing the basics well is what you should concentrate on atm.
    Nope they've not said... how are they made up? It was just the very first lecture so I thought it would be weird that they would want us to memorise loads of random super specific biochemistry things.

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    Seriously dont worry. Follow the learning outcomes dont do more than you have to. The people that teach you in the first few years are scientists so they want you to know everything in great detail. Science is their pride and joy.

    If this helps when i read the protein thing i have no idea what your talking about i know carbon is in there somewhere because its involved in pretty much everything!

    Another thing enjoy non clinical years as much as you can. I was contemplating a very large glass of wine at lunch time!
    The learning outcomes are so broad, it's a pain in the arse. :p:
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    (Original post by Beska)
    The learning outcomes are so broad, it's a pain in the arse. :p:

    You have seen nothing yet!
    My learning outcomes are completely random.
    I think it took me until second year to understand properly. Even now I seem to spend ages on the irrelevant crap.
    I think this rotation has driven me to alcohol. Lots and lots of alcohol!
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    (Original post by Beska)
    Nope they've not said... how are they made up? It was just the very first lecture so I thought it would be weird that they would want us to memorise loads of random super specific biochemistry things
    There is a question bank that the lecturers contribute to and each question is rated merit, satisfactory, borderline etc. according to how many % are meant to get it right. They try and keep it so each section will have a mix of difficulty. The questions will be testing a specific learning outcome and if it's not you (plural) can complain and get it removed but they are quite broad so they do have room to ask some obscure things. Its also all multiple choice :jive: but you could have a choice of 15 answers for 1 question. FYI, It's best to read a chapter/lecture, then go back and see what learning outcomes you might have missed rather than try to find all the answers out to a list of outcomes :yes:
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    (Original post by a moist feeling)
    Yeh that was me I'm sure but I haven't really seen you since then to be honest :erm:

    There have been so many pointless things though if I'm honest, apart from this PBL write-up which isn't too bad, and the fact I have a relatively organised SSC group who want to get everything done really early :sigh:
    Yeah, the first year kind of sucks to be honest. So much dry stuff that it is difficult to relate to medicine. What write up are you doing?

    This first week of second year has been the best time (work wise) I've had in medical school thus far. The work is just so much more interesting.

    My first SSC group was awesome, second one was mreh, I rarely turned up to the sessions they organised as we just used to talk crap for an hour and then leave with objectives we'd already decided 10 minutes in. If you're not presenting for MONTHS though knocking your poster out now is a bad idea. If you're doing something even remotely complex (99% of posters weren't covered by lectures) you'll forget everything and have to work much harder to present and questions will poke holes in you. You're better off aiming to complete it in a time phrame relevent to when you're presenting. I.E finish all in (poster and presentation) down a week before.
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    (Original post by Kinkerz)
    Can you be an anaesthetist and not be involved in much perioperative stuff? Just go down the critical care/ITU type route?
    No.

    A CCT in ICM comes after a 6 month spell in ICM as a junior and 12-18 months as a senior but it needs to be done alongside a parent speciality as a dual CCT.

    To go down the anaesthetic route, you would need to complete anaesthetic training and have a CCT in anaesthetics, as it stands, you would be expected to do some anaesthetics in your job plan.

    If you don't want to do anaesthetics, you need to do EM, AM or, much less commonly, Gen Surg.

    http://www.medicalcareers.nhs.uk/spe.../medicine.aspx
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    No.

    A CCT in ICM comes after a 6 month spell in ICM as a junior and 12-18 months as a senior but it needs to be done alongside a parent speciality as a dual CCT.

    To go down the anaesthetic route, you would need to complete anaesthetic training and have a CCT in anaesthetics, as it stands, you would be expected to do some anaesthetics in your job plan.

    If you don't want to do anaesthetics, you need to do EM, AM or, much less commonly, Gen Surg.

    http://www.medicalcareers.nhs.uk/spe.../medicine.aspx
    Yeah I thought that might be the case. Thanks. Food for thought.
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    Does anyone know anyone who is a ships doctor or has considered it? Just wondering if anyone has any sort of knowledge about it, I have done some research just curious really.
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    (Original post by n1r4v)
    When you do proper clinical stuff / start working as an F1, do you think you'll ever miss the 'largely irrelevant but very interesting' theoretical sciency stuff?
    It's definitely handy now I'm working on my masters, I now wish I'd paid more attention to some of the theoretical stuff! :P

    Speaking of which, if someone wants to do some highlighting and/or typing for me, they'd be more than welcome... *rubs eyes*
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    (Original post by n1r4v)
    When you do proper clinical stuff / start working as an F1, do you think you'll ever miss the 'largely irrelevant but very interesting' theoretical sciency stuff?
    I've been doing clinical for just over a week and I already miss this! There just isn't really enough time to do it all like in the pre-clinical phase.
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    (Original post by n1r4v)
    When you do proper clinical stuff / start working as an F1, do you think you'll ever miss the 'largely irrelevant but very interesting' theoretical sciency stuff?
    Now I'm on ICU, I really wish I remembered more of that stuff, but it's nice to be trying to pick it up again.
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    Need to stop going out so much. Problem is I get such bad FOMO. Turned down a night out tonight, feeling proud. I'm turning over a new leaf. There will be no less hungover lectures/pbls this year.
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    (Original post by lekky)
    Welcome! How are you finding stuffs?
    We've only had 3 days of proper lectures but I'm loving the uni life so far, first lectures were really interesting too but finding that my brain is half-dead after a gap year! Sure it'll be ok though How are you finding second year? (It is second year right? )
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    (Original post by Beska)
    Second lecture and I've already fallen into the "I have no idea how much depth I need to go into" trap. The learning outcome thing is relatively simple, but the lecturer went into detail about random things that have nothing to do with the learning outcome. Any advice? :o:
    Ditto, I'm writing up on that outcome now Beska!
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    (Original post by xconfetti)
    We've only had 3 days of proper lectures but I'm loving the uni life so far, first lectures were really interesting too but finding that my brain is half-dead after a gap year! Sure it'll be ok though How are you finding second year? (It is second year right? )
    Aye second year Interesting don't get me wrong, some really interesting things, but a lot of work and I've not adjusted to it yet though I should have prepared myself as we were always told second year is the one that really bites

    Glad you're loving uni!
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    how has everyone been? almost finishing psych..it's been such a weird experience, interesting but emotionally overwhelming. O&G here I come!
 
 
 
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