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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    It is nice to know the Prime Minister copies real life politics by not keeping to deals made with members of the MHoC.


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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    I'm sorry, I believe the days of your Speakership are long past.
    So are Nigel's days of running UKIP but that doesn't stop you trying to give him the power.
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    (Original post by toronto353)
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    I did not realise you looked to Rakas for your cues of what to say.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    I did not realise you looked to Rakas for your cues of what to say.
    I'm not going to get into argument with you, I just think you underestimate how little any of us actually care about what Life_peer apparently said in a private message between you and him.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    So are Nigel's days of running UKIP but that doesn't stop you trying to give him the power.
    I'm not trying to do that. There are other Kippers fit to replace UU and I think it's quite logical that we're not willing to trust the person who tried to backstab us and then asked us to rep his post in exchange for his support.
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    http://inthezone.co.vu/post/17381048593

    http://inthezone.co.vu/post/17381048593


    I tried to insert the Michael Jackson popcorn gif...
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I wonder if any Liberals are going to complain publicly or privately about being called 'useless'.
    They're not active enough to see it
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    http://inthezone.co.vu/post/17381048593

    http://inthezone.co.vu/post/17381048593


    I tried to insert the Michael Jackson popcorn gif...
    … and you failed, just like your acquired libertarian initiative. You realise you're not in the position to make fun of others, right?
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    (Original post by TitanCream)
    http://inthezone.co.vu/post/17381048593

    http://inthezone.co.vu/post/17381048593


    I tried to insert the Michael Jackson popcorn gif...
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I wonder if any Liberals are going to complain publicly or privately about being called 'useless'.
    Let's see about that. PetrosAC, in the interests of clarity and transparency for the benefit of future MHoC historians, would you tend to agree that the leader of your coalition partner's assertion that your party lacks self-criticism, does not produce legislation, and always thinks it has the upper hand?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    Let's see about that. PetrosAC, in the interests of clarity and transparency for the benefit of future MHoC historians, would you tend to agree that the leader of your coalition partner's assertion that your party lacks self-criticism, does not produce legislation, and always thinks it has the upper hand?
    Cheeky

    Tbh, we've spoken in the Government sub forum about this and there isn't really anything else to say.

    It's obvious the Government were going through a rough patch at the time, and it's true that the Tories have produced more legislation than us in Government.

    I disagree with the evaluation that we lack self-criticism, mainly because I'm aware of our faults. However, this was over a month ago and maybe I came across differently then.

    On the point about having the upper end, I genuinely do believe we have the upper hand most of the time. Whether that's arrogance or because we actually do, I'm not particularly sure. I put it down to being the third party and being in the centre.

    Finally though, I have very little interest in what LP and Nigel wish to speak about. To share someone else's private message to you shows a very clear lack of respect, if nothing else, and I genuinely believed Nigel to be above it. It seems I've been proved wrong.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Cheeky

    Tbh, we've spoken in the Government sub forum about this and there isn't really anything else to say.

    It's obvious the Government were going through a rough patch at the time, and it's true that the Tories have produced more legislation than us in Government.

    I disagree with the evaluation that we lack self-criticism, mainly because I'm aware of our faults. However, this was over a month ago and maybe I came across differently then.

    On the point about having the upper end, I genuinely do believe we have the upper hand most of the time. Whether that's arrogance or because we actually do, I'm not particularly sure. I put it down to being the third party and being in the centre.

    Finally though, I have very little interest in what LP and Nigel wish to speak about. To share someone else's private message to you shows a very clear lack of respect, if nothing else, and I genuinely believed Nigel to be above it. It seems I've been proved wrong.


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    The problem is you have little interest in what any member says, you are the cheerleader for a government that has not bothered to replace the Secretary of State for Defence after his resignation.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    And now you have an insight into part of the reason why Tories are hated so much. Never trust a Tory.
    I'll have you know that during my rule our word was all but unbreakable. As Toronto can testify we even supported a Kipper bill or two (that ordinarily we would'nt) once we'd been ousted from power.

    In this case though circumstances changed and LP rightly maintained the coalition.
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    (Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
    The problem is you have little interest in what any member says, you are the cheerleader for a government that has not bothered to replace the Secretary of State for Defence after his resignation.
    No, the problem is that you have no respect for the value of a private conversation. I'm no cheerleader, Nigel, but I'll protect the Government I'm a part of to the best of my ability.

    Unlike you, I choose to air any dirty laundry I have in private, where it can be dealt with swiftly and move on.


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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    I find that hard to believe. Hypothetically speaking, would you give Fez the permission to reveal how each of the UKIP members voted?

    Saracen's Fez Would you be willing to do that?
    Really it's a matter for each individual UKIP MP to decide if they wish to reveal how they voted, and if they are willing for me to verify they are telling the truth. When an MP votes in a private poll they reserve the right to reveal or conceal their vote.
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    In light of increased "terror" related incidents in the western world, how does the government plan on protecting us as best as they can?

    Life_peer PetrosAC
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    Based on LP's message to Nigel, LP was already trying to axe me as leader of UKIP on the 17th of July. But then he tries to come to me on the 31st of July with some terrible deal that if UKIP MPs vote against the MoNC, he will call a general election by the end of August. Of course I am not going to agree to a deal like that, when it is obvious that LP does not have the best intentions. It is clear from the start that LP is actively working against UKIP, especially when he pretended to include UKIP in the coalition before the formation of this disastrous Con-Lib Government, but had no intention of doing so. I do not work with liars and cheats like LP.
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    (Original post by Unown Uzer)
    Based on LP's message to Nigel, LP was already trying to axe me as leader of UKIP on the 17th of July. But then he tries to come to me on the 31st of July with some terrible deal that if UKIP MPs vote against the MoNC, he will call a general election by the end of August. Of course I am not going to agree to a deal like that, when it is obvious that LP does not have the best intentions. It is clear from the start that LP is actively working against UKIP, especially when he pretended to include UKIP in the coalition before the formation of this disastrous Con-Lib Government, but had no intention of doing so. I do not work with liars and cheats like LP.
    Tbh, I shot down Con-Lib-Kip straight away and we have more seats than you, so it'd naturally make more sense for the Tories to go with us, to have a larger government.

    If you were smart, you would have exploited the Vonc and approached LP and I to work out a Confidence and Supply deal.


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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Tbh, I shot down Con-Lib-Kip straight away and we have more seats than you, so it'd naturally make more sense for the Tories to go with us, to have a larger government.

    If you were smart, you would have exploited the Vonc and approached LP and I to work out a Confidence and Supply deal.


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    No deal is better than a deal with the Liberal Party, I agree with Life_peer's assessment of your party being useless.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    Tbh, I shot down Con-Lib-Kip straight away and we have more seats than you, so it'd naturally make more sense for the Tories to go with us, to have a larger government.

    If you were smart, you would have exploited the Vonc and approached LP and I to work out a Confidence and Supply deal.


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    I knew you would shoot down any coalition that involved the Liberals and UKIP, but the problem with not having a majority government is that it encourages the opposition to launch VoNCs against the government. Furthermore, this government has a record of disobeying the whip, so even if we manage to get a confidence and supply deal in exchange for you lot voting in favour of something we like, your rebellious MPs would probably disobey even a 3-line whip, knowing that they will be reinstated a few days later (in the case of the Tories).
 
 
 
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