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    Now Nazi regalia has been found at the suspect's house. Of course he wasn't far right though, just 'mentally ill'.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Now Nazi regalia has been found at the suspect's house. Of course he wasn't far right though, just 'mentally ill'.
    Mentally ill, far-right Nazi, whatever he was has has nothing to do with the leave campaign which seems to be what remainers are trying to pin him to.
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    Mentally ill, far-right Nazi, whatever he was has has nothing to do with the leave campaign which seems to be what remainers are trying to pin him to.
    It has everything to do with the far right and the hatred whipped up and mainstreamed by the likes of Farage who are so dominant in the leave campaign.

    It encourages people to hate politicians, to see them as evil and greedy and doing the work of the dictatorial Brussels, seeking to replace them with immigrants etc.

    The tone from the leave camp has been incredibly aggressive and intimidatory and it's no surprise to see someone take it too far.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    It has everything to do with the far right and the hatred whipped up and mainstreamed by the likes of Farage who are so dominant in the leave campaign.

    It encourages people to hate politicians, to see them as evil and greedy and doing the work of the dictatorial Brussels, seeking to replace them with immigrants etc.

    The tone from the leave camp has been incredibly aggressive and intimidatory and it's no surprise to see someone take it too far.
    If he ordered his Nazi stuff over 2/3 weeks ago then it has nothing to do with Nigel Farage since he had this hatred way before Farage started campaigning

    I doubt that he suddenly decided overnight to kill this woman because of a speak Farage said...
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    If he ordered his Nazi stuff over 2/3 weeks ago then it has nothing to do with Nigel Farage since he had this hatred way before Farage started campaigning

    I doubt that he suddenly decided overnight to kill this woman because of a speak Farage said...
    I'm not saying he did.
    But his views were allowed to prosper and become more mainstream because of the hatred and xenophobia that the likes of Farage whip up.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I'm not saying he did.
    But his views were allowed to prosper and become more mainstream because of the hatred and xenophobia that the likes of Farage whip up.
    No they were not.. If he killed a migrant MP or migrant then i would completely agree with you. But this woman was not a migrant she was a white middle age woman...

    EDIT: Farage's views is one of controlled immigration of a point system such as Australia. During his campaign he has infact welcomed skilled migrants from india and other commonwealth countries rather than kill them.
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    (Original post by Conservationofmass)
    No I don't care at all, I only feel sorry for the children,she's a politician, there's no reason why I should care.
    She was a ****ing human being. If you don't care when a human being is shot dead, there is something seriously wrong with you.
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    No they were not.. If he killed a migrant MP or migrant then i would completely agree with you. But this woman was not a migrant she was a white middle age woman...

    EDIT: Farage's views is one of controlled immigration of a point system such as Australia. During his campaign he has infact welcomed skilled migrants from india and other commonwealth countries rather than kill them.
    I've had it with Farage.
    He' not someone who want's 'controlled immigration', nor does he want immigrants from India, that's just something he says so he seems less racist.

    He's an out and out bigot.
    Yesterday he published a poster remarkably similar to Nazi propaganda over refugees. That's after claiming things like he wouldn't want to live next to a Romanian and that people speaking other languages on public transport makes him uncomfortable.

    There are legitimate concerns about immigration but Farage doesn't want to address them, he wants to exploit them for his own gain.

    He's a bigot and racist and as soon as people start recognizing that, rather than going 'he just has genuine concerns', the sooner we can start to tackle the toxic political culture and attitudes we currently have towards politicians.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I've had it with Farage.
    He' not someone who want's 'controlled immigration', nor does he want immigrants from India, that's just something he says so he seems less racist.

    He's an out and out bigot.
    Yesterday he published a poster remarkably similar to Nazi propaganda over refugees. That's after claiming things like he wouldn't want to live next to a Romanian and that people speaking other languages on public transport makes him uncomfortable.

    There are legitimate concerns about immigration but Farage doesn't want to address them, he wants to exploit them for his own gain.

    He's a bigot and racist and as soon as people start recognizing that, rather than going 'he just has genuine concerns', the sooner we can start to tackle the toxic political culture and attitudes we currently have towards politicians.
    Farage's views on immigration are moderate and have no racial component. Farage has nothing to do with this incident. You are a revolting opportunist.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    Farage's views on immigration are moderate and have no racial component. Farage has nothing to do with this incident. You are a revolting opportunist.
    ...Which is why yesterday he unleashed a poster of Syrian refugees entering Slovenia (with no chance of reaching Britain) behind a slogan saying 'breaking point'.
    It's almost identical to Nazi propaganda.


    Yet idiots like you just see this as mainstream, perhaps it is mainstream to be a bigot now. Because apparently the biggest problem we have is not bigots making racist remarks but 'pc liberal culture' taking offence to Nazi type propaganda.

    Farage is shameless opportunist who's done everthing he can to whip up fear and hatred for immigrants and also now politicians.
    It's because of people like him that far-right views are mainstream. It's because of people like him that the brexit campaign has been conducted in such an aggressive and intimidating manner, labelling anyone who wants to remain as horrible bureaucrats wanting to destroy our freedoms etc.


    Attacks like this are a direct product of the far right and they can thank the likes of Farage for normalising and mainstreaming their views.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I've had it with Farage.
    He' not someone who want's 'controlled immigration', nor does he want immigrants from India, that's just something he says so he seems less racist.

    He's an out and out bigot.
    Yesterday he published a poster remarkably similar to Nazi propaganda over refugees. That's after claiming things like he wouldn't want to live next to a Romanian and that people speaking other languages on public transport makes him uncomfortable.

    There are legitimate concerns about immigration but Farage doesn't want to address them, he wants to exploit them for his own gain.

    He's a bigot and racist and as soon as people start recognizing that, rather than going 'he just has genuine concerns', the sooner we can start to tackle the toxic political culture and attitudes we currently have towards politicians.
    You're putting words into his mouth he has said a few days ago that he wanted less overall immigration but more skilled immigration. You are literally making it up when you say he doesn't want controlled immigration.

    Regardless of what Nigel Farage wants he isn't even in government so he cannot implement any laws. If Britain does exit, chances are there will be a snap election and this would be the chance for you to vote in a government (labour, greens, lib dems whatever you want) which reflect your views and would be able to pass laws you want without having to go via the EU.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    ...Which is why yesterday he unleashed a poster of Syrian refugees entering Slovenia (with no chance of reaching Britain) behind a slogan saying 'breaking point'.
    How does that contradict what I have said? Opposition to Britain taking large numbers of refugees is not just a moderate, but a consensus position. In Britain the belief that Europe has handled the crisis badly is similarly a consensus position. Practically no one is going to stand up and say they think Germany should take another one and a half million this year and that would just be fine. So when Farage says that the continent has overstretched and should stop, he is not saying anything out of the ordinary.

    It's almost identical to Nazi propaganda.
    Who the hell was immigrating to Slovenia in 1933? Do you even think about what you are writing.

    Because apparently the biggest problem we have is not bigots making racist remarks
    Where has Farage proposed a race-based immigration policy? (nowhere)

    Farage is shameless opportunist who's done everthing he can to whip up fear and hatred for immigrants and also now politicians.
    There are many entirely reasonable positions on immigration, and reasonable grounds for opposing immigration, which for a long time have been entirely unrepresented in the Westminster bubble. When you call Farage an opportunist, you mean you disagree with him and would like politicians to have been able to continue colluding against the public by offering them no real choice. When I call you an opportunist I am saying that you are exploiting a murder to browbeat your political opponents into abandoning views that have nothing to do with that murder.

    It's because of people like him that far-right views are mainstream.
    If far-right views were mainstream those views would be centrist; far-right views can't be mainstream by definition. Farage has made a huge party precisely by offering an anti-immigration platform that many people regard as reasonable. The BNP was never able to become as large as UKIP on an anti-immigrant platform because the public viewed BNP policies like race-based selection and repatriation as unreasonable.

    It's because of people like him that the brexit campaign has been conducted in such an aggressive and intimidating manner, labelling anyone who wants to remain as horrible bureaucrats wanting to destroy our freedoms etc.
    Oh piss off. The Brexit campaign has not been conducted in an "intimidating" manner. No one has feared for their physical safety because of the Brexit campaign. Arguments about horrible bureaucrats are not more ridiculous, and much less frightening, than arguments about World War III and the collapse of Western civilisation. Remain arguments would provide far more justification for violence if taken seriously - but everyone knows it is just bluster.
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    You're putting words into his mouth he has said a few days ago that he wanted less overall immigration but more skilled immigration. You are literally making it up when you say he doesn't want controlled immigration.

    Regardless of what Nigel Farage wants he isn't even in government so he cannot implement any laws. If Britain does exit, chances are there will be a snap election and this would be the chance for you to vote in a government (labour, greens, lib dems whatever you want) which reflect your views and would be able to pass laws you want without having to go via the EU.
    Few things are more obvious than the fact that Farage's 'want' of Commonwealth migrants is simply a ploy to make him seem less xenophobic. He doesn't want more Commonwealth migrants, he just wants less EU ones.

    How about that poster yesterday of loads of Syrian refugees entering Slovenia, which Farage's party has attached 'breaking point' to? That's Nazi type propaganda. But of course he's not racist though, he's just a genuine guy not seeking to exploit people's concerns.

    People like Farage have normalised the views of the hard right. It's now okay to be racist towards immigrants(eg not wanting to live next to Romanians) and claim you just have 'genuine concerns'. It's now acceptable to speak of politicians being evil people who are acting on behalf of a Brussels dictatorship and want to take your job away and give it to an immigrant.

    It's now okay to justify violence of the far right as Farage has done, by claiming far right violence is due to no border controls.

    It's now okay for English Brexit football fans to chant racist songs to France and Germany. It's now okay for them to taunt and take the piss out of child refugees, making them beg for money and perform dares (such as making a seven year old boy down a beer).

    It's that sort of atmosphere which led to the killing. The far right are to blame. Yet as always they refuse to accept responsibility, blaming everyone but themselves.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Few things are more obvious than the fact that Farage's 'want' of Commonwealth migrants is simply a ploy to make him seem less xenophobic. He doesn't want more Commonwealth migrants, he just wants less EU ones.

    How about that poster yesterday of loads of Syrian refugees entering Slovenia, which Farage's party has attached 'breaking point' to? That's Nazi type propaganda. But of course he's not racist though, he's just a genuine guy not seeking to exploit people's concerns.

    People like Farage have normalised the views of the hard right. It's now okay to be racist towards immigrants(eg not wanting to live next to Romanians) and claim you just have 'genuine concerns'. It's now acceptable to speak of politicians being evil people who are acting on behalf of a Brussels dictatorship and want to take your job away and give it to an immigrant.

    It's now okay to justify violence of the far right as Farage has done, by claiming far right violence is due to no border controls.

    It's now okay for English Brexit football fans to chant racist songs to France and Germany. It's now okay for them to taunt and take the piss out of child refugees, making them beg for money and perform dares (such as making a seven year old boy down a beer).

    It's that sort of atmosphere which led to the killing. The far right are to blame. Yet as always they refuse to accept responsibility, blaming everyone but themselves.
    propaganda
    prɒpəˈɡandə/
    noun
    1.
    information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

    It's not misleading it's an actual picture which is true. In 2015 between 1-2 Million syrian refugees came into the EU. The sheer numbers have been extremely difficult and actually have been near breaking point to house,feed and do background checks on.
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    (Original post by Observatory)
    How does that contradict what I have said? Opposition to Britain taking large numbers of refugees is not just a moderate, but a consensus position. In Britain the belief that Europe has handled the crisis badly is similarly a consensus position. Practically no one is going to stand up and say they think Germany should take another one and a half million this year and that would just be fine. So when Farage says that the continent has overstretched and should stop, he is not saying anything out of the ordinary.


    Who the hell was immigrating to Slovenia in 1933? Do you even think about what you are writing.


    Where has Farage proposed a race-based immigration policy? (nowhere)


    There are many entirely reasonable positions on immigration, and reasonable grounds for opposing immigration, which for a long time have been entirely unrepresented in the Westminster bubble. When you call Farage an opportunist, you mean you disagree with him and would like politicians to have been able to continue colluding against the public by offering them no real choice. When I call you an opportunist I am saying that you are exploiting a murder to browbeat your political opponents into abandoning views that have nothing to do with that murder.


    If far-right views were mainstream those views would be centrist; far-right views can't be mainstream by definition. Farage has made a huge party precisely by offering an anti-immigration platform that many people regard as reasonable. The BNP was never able to become as large as UKIP on an anti-immigrant platform because the public viewed BNP policies like race-based selection and repatriation as unreasonable.


    Oh piss off. The Brexit campaign has not been conducted in an "intimidating" manner. No one has feared for their physical safety because of the Brexit campaign. Arguments about horrible bureaucrats are not more ridiculous, and much less frightening, than arguments about World War III and the collapse of Western civilisation. Remain arguments would provide far more justification for violence if taken seriously - but everyone knows it is just bluster.
    You're a great troll, i'll give you that.
    Attacks like yesterday are down to the UKIP culture where it is now acceptable to be racist, where it is okay to say things like you don't want to live next to Romanians and people talking a different language on the train makes you uncomfortable. Where it's okay for Brexity football fans to cause violence in France, chanting racist songs and taunting child refugees.


    Farage and UKIP have done all they can to encourage the public not just to disagree with politicians but to hate them and see them as evil and corrupt, to dehumanise them, to call them advocates of a brussels dictatorship and of wanting to hand their jobs to immigrants.

    This culture is down to the UKIP far right types who normalise racism and bigotry.

    It's funny to see that you're a Nigel fan boy though, never had you pinned down as one.

    The far right are entirely to blame for attacks like these, funny how you seek to use a murder to defend the far right...
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    (Original post by Sun_Bear)
    propaganda
    prɒpəˈɡandə/
    noun
    1.
    information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote a political cause or point of view.

    It's not misleading it's an actual picture which is true. In 2015 between 1-2 Million syrian refugees came into the EU. The sheer numbers have been extremely difficult and actually have been near breaking point to house,feed and do background checks on.
    Those syrian refugees were going to Slovenia with not a chance of reaching the UK.

    The picture makes out like it was the UK or that we as a country face millions of refugees. We do not.

    It's pure propaganda and no surprise to see Nigel's pathetic fan boys out here in force.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You're a great troll, i'll give you that.
    And I think it is now entirely clear what you are.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Few things are more obvious than the fact that Farage's 'want' of Commonwealth migrants is simply a ploy to make him seem less xenophobic. He doesn't want more Commonwealth migrants, he just wants less EU ones.

    How about that poster yesterday of loads of Syrian refugees entering Slovenia, which Farage's party has attached 'breaking point' to? That's Nazi type propaganda. But of course he's not racist though, he's just a genuine guy not seeking to exploit people's concerns.

    People like Farage have normalised the views of the hard right. It's now okay to be racist towards immigrants(eg not wanting to live next to Romanians) and claim you just have 'genuine concerns'. It's now acceptable to speak of politicians being evil people who are acting on behalf of a Brussels dictatorship and want to take your job away and give it to an immigrant.

    It's now okay to justify violence of the far right as Farage has done, by claiming far right violence is due to no border controls.

    It's now okay for English Brexit football fans to chant racist songs to France and Germany. It's now okay for them to taunt and take the piss out of child refugees, making them beg for money and perform dares (such as making a seven year old boy down a beer).

    It's that sort of atmosphere which led to the killing. The far right are to blame. Yet as always they refuse to accept responsibility, blaming everyone but themselves.
    OK, ill bite, what are these "racist songs", where is your proof?

    For all other posters I think that is odds on that this poster will provide a link to a song that is not about an race, as usually vile fascist scum like this guy deliberately use the word race, when race is not being mentioned.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Those syrian refugees were going to Slovenia with not a chance of reaching the UK.

    The picture makes out like it was the UK or that we as a country face millions of refugees. We do not.

    It's pure propaganda and no surprise to see Nigel's pathetic fan boys out here in force.

    And what stops them "refugees" from moving to the UK when they are given EU passports?
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