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Retirement age needs to go up, and firefighters shouldn't be exempt from that supposing they remain physically fit enough to do the job.
But that's the point!!! If they aren't fit enough and have to retire early they lose out on some of their pention. I can't think of many 60 or even 50 year olds I'd consider fit enough to do fire fighting, I sure as hell cant imagine an 80 year old having the streangh to chop down a door of a burning building.
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You'll be fine Obviously right now it doesn't feel like this, but at the end of the day, exams are neither nowt nor summat. Stay calm and you're more than half way there
Thank you, I appreciate that. I'm such a worrier, I need to stop clogging up the bar!
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But that's the point!!! If they aren't fit enough and have to retire early they lose out on some of their pention. I can't think of many 60 or even 50 year olds I'd consider fit enough to do fire fighting, I sure as hell cant imagine an 80 year old having the streangh to chop down a door of a burning building.
Except they don't have to retire, they should go get another job when they are no longer capable of doing their job as a fireman sufficiently well.
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
Except they don't have to retire, they should go get another job when they are no longer capable of doing their job as a fireman sufficiently well.
Not many transferable skills though are there...
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Not many transferable skills though are there...
Cool under pressure, self-control, team skills, trust in others, confidence, and leadership are ideal skills for low level management positions.
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Not many transferable skills though are there...
(Original post by Jammy Duel)
Except they don't have to retire, they should go get another job when they are no longer capable of doing their job as a fireman sufficiently well.

If you risk you life for others you should get good pay and a decent retirement! I doubt people would expect a soldier to work till 70!
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
Cool under pressure, self-control, team skills, trust in others, confidence, and leadership are ideal skills for low level management positions.
Could you imagine going from fire fighting to an office job though?
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
At the very least over 50% of all members eligible to vote on striking action must be in favour of a strike for it to be legal. I do not support a small group of union radicals holding everyone to ransom on the back of a strike ballot with a 40% turnout. On the London Underground situation, I would fire all of the drivers and replace them with computers like we see on monorails. London Underground drives are paid £40,000 per year to sit down all day pushing buttons when the train enters a station; hardly justifies the current pay, yet they demand more.
Completely agree with this

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Could you imagine going from fire fighting to an office job though?
It does not have to be an office job ex-firemen enter, it could be a service job such as assistant manager at a fast food chain or a supermarket. Popular jobs for ex-servicemen are supermarket staff, military history specialists at a museum, and physical jobs, for instance, gardeners.
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
It does not have to be an office job ex-firemen enter, it could be a service job such as assistant manager at a fast food chain or a supermarket.
The point is still the same, it's a massive step down.
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The point is still the same, it's a massive step down.
It is only a massive step down if you look down on other jobs which you should not do. The assistant manager at a supermarket chain will earn more than your average firefighter, and income would be higher than a full pension which is the alternative you want.
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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
It is only a massive step down if you look down on other jobs which you should not do. The assistant manager at a supermarket chain will earn more than your average firefighter, and income would be higher than a full pension which is the alternative you want.
It shouldn't be about money, firefighters do what they do because they love it. The adrenaline rush every day. And then being stuck in a doing jobs working 9-5 would be a step down.
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It shouldn't be about money, firefighters do what they do because they love it. The adrenaline rush every day. And then being stuck in a doing jobs working 9-5 would be a step down.
Doing a 9 to 5 job is less of a let down, if at all it is one, than retiring is. I disagree on the very basis of your comment, a new job is always a step up as it proves they are adaptable and good at multiple things. Retiring is a way of the state telling people who have dedicated their lives to saving people that they are no longer good enough to do anything productive in society.
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I can't see much of an upturn in action in the house really. But I can assure you that the greens have no seat issues, labour might however seeing as they have 15 seats.

I wonder if any government formed will survive the vonc that always seems to happen each term though.
I've never known a VoNC in the Government in the 15 months or so I've been here.
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Barman, I think it might be an orange juice for me tonight.
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If a union's members are against striking they won't, its a simple as that. They can't be made too. Low turnouts signify people knowing the result will go a certain way, as well as the effort of voting when we refuse to allow unions to simply manage it themselves and do it online, rather than an anti strike attitude. Any strike where half the members actually opposed it would be pretty crap an ineffective. So let's not have legislation for the sake of legislation, this is the wrong solution to the wrong problem.
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(Original post by Green_Pink)
If a union's members are against striking they won't, its a simple as that. They can't be made too. Low turnouts signify people knowing the result will go a certain way, as well as the effort of voting when we refuse to allow unions to simply manage it themselves and do it online, rather than an anti strike attitude. Any strike where half the members actually opposed it would be pretty crap an ineffective. So let's not have legislation for the sake of legislation, this is the wrong solution to the wrong problem.
I would say a low turnout does not indicate widespread support but instead it indicates a lack fo caring among union members. the union members are not persuaded enough by the arguments to support a strike, but when faced with the possibility of a day off work paid for by their union they take part, hence the importance for over 50% of union members eligible to vote needing to support the strike.
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If you risk you life for others you should get good pay and a decent retirement! I doubt people would expect a soldier to work till 70!
21 years in the forces for retirement on full pension

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(Original post by Nigel Farage MEP)
Doing a 9 to 5 job is less of a let down, if at all it is one, than retiring is. I disagree on the very basis of your comment, a new job is always a step up as it proves they are adaptable and good at multiple things. Retiring is a way of the state telling people who have dedicated their lives to saving people that they are no longer good enough to do anything productive in society.
but you can have a lot of excitement in retirement, although I see your point I just can't imagine adjusting well in that position.

(Original post by Saracen's Fez)
I've never known a VoNC in the Government in the 15 months or so I've been here.
There was one last term and the term before that...
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There was one last term and the term before that...
When? They never seemed to get off the ground.
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