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    (Original post by JPKC)
    My favourite Labour politicians are James Purnell, Jon Cruddas, Harriet Harman, and Jeremy Corbyn. I don't agree with everything they say, but I think they each have integrity about what they believe in. On the Tories side, Ken Clarke - the man knows his jazz. In the fringe parties, I think Salma Yaqoob and Caroline Lucas are great (if only all politicians were like them). The Liberal Democrats are, almost without exception, nobs.
    For some reason people seem to dislike Harman but i actually like her. Not the most skilled politician (she seems like she's nervy with big speeches) but her hearts in the right place even if i disagree with her.
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    Surely 'Pop Punk' is a contradiction in terms? Lousy sell-outs. I don't see how Green Day are punk at all.
    I agree. Although it was great to see them live, I couldn't help but think 'my lord Billie, you're over 40 now and you're still bouncing around singing teenage pop songs', they weren't even in the same league as SOAD, Biffy Clyro or Fallout Boy in terms of the integrity of their music.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    My favourite Labour politicians are James Purnell, Jon Cruddas, Harriet Harman, and Jeremy Corbyn. I don't agree with everything they say, but I think they each have integrity about what they believe in. On the Tories side, Ken Clarke - the man knows his jazz. In the fringe parties, I think Salma Yaqoob and Caroline Lucas are great (if only all politicians were like them). The Liberal Democrats are, almost without exception, nobs.
    Harriet Harman? The same Harriet Harman that went to St. Paul's Girls' school? That Harriet Harman? The same person who was brought up in privilege not too dissimilar from much of the current Tory lot? How strange, given the scorn you've poured over the likes of TopHat (and others) for going being privately educated and on the left. Very strange indeed. Do I detect double standards? :ninja:

    Caroline Lucas is one of our few great representatives.
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Harriet Harman? The same Harriet Harman that went to St. Paul's Girls' school? That Harriet Harman? The same person who was brought up in privilege not too dissimilar from much of the current Tory lot? How strange, given the scorn you've poured over the likes of TopHat (and others) for going being privately educated and on the left. Very strange indeed. Do I detect double standards? :ninja:

    Caroline Lucas is one of our few great representatives.
    I agree. I also dislike her active discrimination towards individuals and her Blairite associations; I think she lacks integrity. Caroline Lucas is an incredible woman, and i'm saddened that she hasn't remained as Green Party leader.
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Harriet Harman? The same Harriet Harman that went to St. Paul's Girls' school? That Harriet Harman? The same person who was brought up in privilege not too dissimilar from much of the current Tory lot? How strange, given the scorn you've poured over the likes of TopHat (and others) for going being privately educated and on the left. Very strange indeed. Do I detect double standards? :ninja:

    Caroline Lucas is one of our few great representatives.
    You might be confusing me with Adorno - never in my dealings with TopHat did I criticise him for going to a private school. I disagree with private education, but I'd never seriously hold it against anyone. :nope:

    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    I agree. I also dislike her active discrimination towards individuals and her Blairite associations; I think she lacks integrity. Caroline Lucas is an incredible woman, and i'm saddened that she hasn't remained as Green Party leader.
    One of the things about Harman is that she has apologised for making personal attacks, against the likes of Danny Alexander, etc. But yeah, she's not perfect - just better than the rest of senior people in my party. And regarding Caroline Lucas - why didn't she stay on as leader?
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    Harriet Harman and Diane Abbott are among the Labour MPs that I do not like. Funny how Harriet Harmans husband (Jack Dromey) got to stand in a seat that was meant for the all womens short-list.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    One of the things about Harman is that she has apologised for making personal attacks, against the likes of Danny Alexander, etc. But yeah, she's not perfect - just better than the rest of senior people in my party. And regarding Caroline Lucas - why didn't she stay on as leader?
    I know she has, but the fact she consistently insults fellow members based on their appearance is just callous and unprofessional. In your party?

    She didn't like how the party had become focussed on her alone, and by vacating the leadership seat, she believed our new leader, Natalie Bennett, may become the second Green Party MP
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    You might be confusing me with Adorno - never in my dealings with TopHat did I criticise him for going to a private school. I disagree with private education, but I'd never seriously hold it against anyone. :nope:
    Adorno was much worse at it to be honest. I'll find the relevant quotes if you like, but that would be somewhat time-consuming. However, I distinctly remember the following conversation taking place in (I think) one of the MHoC GE threads a while back:

    TH: I was sad to see I'd been rejected by the Socialists.
    JPKC: [I can't entirely remember the phrasing but it was something about joining two parties] ... & lose the Latin.

    I can't fully remember the conversation but I'll have a trawl through now to find it. At a cursory glance this may seem like a pretty innocuous comment but in the context it was a clear dig at his education, ie he'd been rejected rightfully in your opinion because he went to a private school. Perhaps I read too much into it, but I'm almost certain it wasn't an isolated incident. But Adorno was much worse about it and I thought he was pretty unfair sometimes.

    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    I agree. I also dislike her active discrimination towards individuals and her Blairite associations; I think she lacks integrity. Caroline Lucas is an incredible woman, and i'm saddened that she hasn't remained as Green Party leader.
    :sadnod: I don't dislike Harriet Harman per se but I wouldn't have her up there with my favourite MPs.

    Indeed it is a great shame. I'm not entirely sure how her predecessor is shaping up but I hope she retains her seat in 2015.
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Adorno was much worse at it to be honest. I'll find the relevant quotes if you like, but that would be somewhat time-consuming. However, I distinctly remember the following conversation taking place in (I think) one of the MHoC GE threads a while back:

    TH: I was sad to see I'd been rejected by the Socialists.
    JPKC: [I can't entirely remember the phrasing but it was something about joining two parties] ... & lose the Latin.

    I can't fully remember the conversation but I'll have a trawl through now to find it. At a cursory glance this may seem like a pretty innocuous comment but in the context it was a clear dig at his education, ie he'd been rejected rightfully in your opinion because he went to a private school. Perhaps I read too much into it, but I'm almost certain it wasn't an isolated incident. But Adorno was much worse about it and I thought he was pretty unfair sometimes.



    :sadnod: I don't dislike Harriet Harman per se but I wouldn't have her up there with my favourite MPs.

    Indeed it is a great shame. I'm not entirely sure how her predecessor is shaping up but I hope she retains her seat in 2015.
    I think that may have been more of a party response than JPKC's own thought, certainly sounds like something we'd say if a blairite attempts to join.
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    I think that may have been more of a party response than JPKC's own thought, certainly sounds like something we'd say if a blairite attempts to join.
    Pretty sure this was before you were here. Anyway, I don't think TopHat was a Blairite. But no his comment was evidently his own opinion (I think this was during the period he'd actually been banned from joining any parties - it was just his own musings on the matter).
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Adorno was much worse at it to be honest. I'll find the relevant quotes if you like, but that would be somewhat time-consuming. However, I distinctly remember the following conversation taking place in (I think) one of the MHoC GE threads a while back:

    TH: I was sad to see I'd been rejected by the Socialists.
    JPKC: [I can't entirely remember the phrasing but it was something about joining two parties] ... & lose the Latin.

    I can't fully remember the conversation but I'll have a trawl through now to find it. At a cursory glance this may seem like a pretty innocuous comment but in the context it was a clear dig at his education, ie he'd been rejected rightfully in your opinion because he went to a private school. Perhaps I read too much into it, but I'm almost certain it wasn't an isolated incident. But Adorno was much worse about it and I thought he was pretty unfair sometimes.
    Oh, that. I admit it was an immature thing to say, but it wasn't a jab at his private education. He used to come out with a lot of obfuscatory Latin phrases - indeed, I recall him using one in his application to join the Socialists. So me saying that was more me being irked by what I (at the time) perceived to be pretentiousness. Though, equally, I hold my hands up to being pretty jealous of anyone who knows Latin well enough to use it frequently in online debating forums!
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    Oh, that. I admit it was an immature thing to say, but it wasn't a jab at his private education. He used to come out with a lot of obfuscatory Latin phrases - indeed, I recall him using one in his application to join the Socialists. So me saying that was more me being irked by what I (at the time) perceived to be pretentiousness. Though, equally, I hold my hands up to being pretty jealous of anyone who knows Latin well enough to use it frequently in online debating forums!
    Ah, that's fair enough then. Just reading through it appeared to be a jab but that makes more sense now I know the situation better.
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    (Original post by Cheese_Monster)
    I know she has, but the fact she consistently insults fellow members based on their appearance is just callous and unprofessional. In your party?

    She didn't like how the party had become focussed on her alone, and by vacating the leadership seat, she believed our new leader, Natalie Bennett, may become the second Green Party MP
    She doesn't do it consistently - as far as I'm aware, the 'ginger rodent' jibe was a one-off, and I believe people should be forgiven if they apologise in a decent manner, as she has.

    I'm still a Labour member, in spite of being disgusted by what the party does/says for the most part.

    And I'll totally campaign for Natalie Bennett come next election - I spoke briefly with her when she led a conversation at the People's Assembly, she came across really well.

    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Ah, that's fair enough then. Just reading through it appeared to be a jab but that makes more sense now I know the situation better.
    It was still a harsh thing to say regardless of the motive I had for saying it. If TopHat ever reappears I'll make sure to apologise!
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    I very much agree its broken however i'd oppose your idea. Because of the military disparity between the NATO nations and the African nations for example i do agree with the existence of the UNSC though i would vastly expand it and possibly have a system whereby a super-majority of 66% is needed for a strike with VETO's abolished. I'd also end the non perm rubbish, the likes of Germany and Japan have the technology to defeat most of the countries that we can so they have just as much right to a permanent seat as the UK and France.
    I can see your point, although should the Security Council necessarily be represented by the largest military powers? I suppose it might lack authority, otherwise. But is there a realistic way to measure something like military power?
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    She doesn't do it consistently - as far as I'm aware, the 'ginger rodent' jibe was a one-off, and I believe people should be forgiven if they apologise in a decent manner, as she has.

    I'm still a Labour member, in spite of being disgusted by what the party does/says for the most part.

    And I'll totally campaign for Natalie Bennett come next election - I spoke briefly with her when she led a conversation at the People's Assembly, she came across really well.



    It was still a harsh thing to say regardless of the motive I had for saying it. If TopHat ever reappears I'll make sure to apologise!
    Likewise. Although the current Shadow Cabinet is pretty much useless. As for TopHat, I'm sure it's all water under the bridge, but I highly doubt we'll see him again around here.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    She doesn't do it consistently - as far as I'm aware, the 'ginger rodent' jibe was a one-off, and I believe people should be forgiven if they apologise in a decent manner, as she has.

    I'm still a Labour member, in spite of being disgusted by what the party does/says for the most part.

    And I'll totally campaign for Natalie Bennett come next election - I spoke briefly with her when she led a conversation at the People's Assembly, she came across really well.
    I'm all for apologies, I just think she's false.

    Interesting, I couldn't be a part of Labour in its current form, its policies, its ideology, its shadow cabinet, its leader, its recent history, they all stink of hypocrisy and Thatcherism; but I suppose you can only see change from within.

    Good to hear it, she's very conscientious, but not as charismatic as Lucas, not that that is a problem to me.
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Likewise. Although the current Shadow Cabinet is pretty much useless. As for TopHat, I'm sure it's all water under the bridge, but I highly doubt we'll see him again around here.
    Agreed, they are beyond poor. Who would you place in the shadow cabinet?
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    (Original post by Blue Meltwater)
    I can see your point, although should the Security Council necessarily be represented by the largest military powers? I suppose it might lack authority, otherwise. But is there a realistic way to measure something like military power?
    Yes. If they are the people actually putting their assets on the line then they should make the final decision. I suppose we'd have to define it as something like a country with a navy, army and air force.
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    Pretty sure this was before you were here. Anyway, I don't think TopHat was a Blairite. But no his comment was evidently his own opinion (I think this was during the period he'd actually been banned from joining any parties - it was just his own musings on the matter).
    TH wasn't a Blairite, he wouldn't have been a joint member with us if he had been
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Yes. If they are the people actually putting their assets on the line then they should make the final decision. I suppose we'd have to define it as something like a country with a navy, army and air force.
    Ah, yes, I think I agree with that. Hm... Don't most countries have these to varying degrees? The problem I see with going by military strength alone is that North Korea for instance, with the world's largest army and a nuclear state, would probably top the list, despite realistically having zero military influence beyond their own borders (and hysterical megaphones).
 
 
 
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