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    (Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
    Completely false. You may be unaware that ISIS are being fought mainly by muslims - Iran, Hezbollah, Syria, Kurds, Houthis, and others.
    Vatican really evolved and improved a lot, refusing to fight savages for no good reason.


    That is something to impress me really.

    Islam will be always a savage religion until Islam doesn't establish better rules for the followers to follow. Islam proclaims only hate and war, this is why followers cannot escape wars and hate.

    When Muslims understand how their lives are wasted after a false and hatred religion, they themselves will want to change something.

    That religion is twisting the real word of God in many ways, this is why Islam cannot find peace in God.

    The real proof for finding God is when God bless you with peace, inner and outer. Muslims cannot enjoy that, they follow a false word of God.
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    (Original post by LadyCrystal)
    Vatican really evolved and improved a lot, refusing to fight savages for no good reason.
    That is something to impress me really.
    Islam will be always a savage religion until Islam doesn't establish better rules for the followers to follow. Islam proclaims only hate and war, this is why followers cannot escape wars and hate.
    When Muslims understand how their lives are wasted after a false and hatred religion, they themselves will want to change something.
    That religion is twisting the real word of God in many ways, this is why Islam cannot find peace in God.
    The real proof for finding God is when God bless you with peace, inner and outer. Muslims cannot enjoy that, they follow a false word of God.
    What rules exactly do you have a problem with? What 'hate and war' does islam proclaim?
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    (Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
    I said she was the first in Mecca. Not the first in the world.
    That says so much.

    So, isolated in Mecca, an Arab tribal, not knowing civilisation, claims to civilize the world with their own desert tent religion?


    You know, somehow you can impress a Bedouin or a savage, but how you can impress a Christian, having civilisation developed and joyful for centuries all across 3 continents: Asia, Europe, Africa. Far back in the history.

    Somehow you all Muslims fall down in the same mental trap. How you do it? how you pick it up to brainwash you and to stop thinking, analysing and ruling your own lives?


    What is better for you?

    Many of you choose it, being in denial. You even don't admit what really leads you in Europe, do you?

    It is a real proof how much you cannot live in your own religion, how anti-human is that religion.

    Don't you understand how that converts you, to see normal people having fun in a normal way, normal life, normal earnings and normal family being happy not beating the wife.

    I cannot sympathize your dilemma, it is the Tantalus' dilemma.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tantalus
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    (Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
    What rules exactly do you have a problem with? What 'hate and war' does islam proclaim?
    Under the wing of Islam, was developed a very dark culture of twisting the God's word.
    Beating women, raping children etc is NOT the God's word really, even Muslims admit it.

    Why than that exists to such extend in the Islamic culture only? no other culture having that to such extend.

    Until you realize how that exposes you as violators and aggressors, you won't find peace from God.
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    (Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
    You say that I'm denying history, but you're denying the islamic golden era, where history and science were of paramount importance to muslim society?
    For you only I will admit, I was exploring Islam and Qur'an for a while.

    Qur'an has many good findings.

    I don't know the reason why (I am not born in Islam) but Muslim people twist the God's word and perform it badly in their lives. It is not enough to know it, you need to perform it. That is why Qur'an asks you to pray 5 times a day - not to repeat versus for hate, but to learn how to perform God's Love in your lives. Shouting versus is not helpful. What makes difference is to perform God's word - to Love.

    It is a very powerful word - God proclaims only love. Only. Jesus never proclaimed hate or war, or revenge, as the words of Mohamed were twisted. Jesus agreed to be hanged on the Christ to defend the Divine Love.

    Mohamed took the God's word for Love and performed it in war, defence and hate. Remember how many wars Mohamed had to fight.
    Who ever heard Jesus to fight and make war, or to keep a war ongoing?

    Jesus' words were twisted too, but he succeeded to put a mainstream of the main message - God is Love, Divine Love.

    Where you don't follow that Divine Love, you twist God's word openly and raise against God itself.


    Muslims will be punished for that, remember Sodom and Gomorrah. Don't underestimate God.

    Islam and Muslims fail in following the God's word.
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    (Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
    It was the first for the people of the society in which he lived. Again,
    A few villages yes but given it's contact with the outside world these ideas as you acknowledged already existed
    (Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
    I never claimed that it was the first in the world.
    and I acknowledged that
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    (Original post by LadyCrystal)
    For you only I will admit, I was exploring Islam and Qur'an for a while.

    Qur'an has many good findings.

    I don't know the reason why (I am not born in Islam) but Muslim people twist the God's word and perform it badly in their lives. It is not enough to know it, you need to perform it. That is why Qur'an asks you to pray 5 times a day - not to repeat versus for hate, but to learn how to perform God's Love in your lives. Shouting versus is not helpful. What makes difference is to perform God's word - to Love.

    It is a very powerful word - God proclaims only love. Only. Jesus never proclaimed hate or war, or revenge, as the words of Mohamed were twisted. Jesus agreed to be hanged on the Christ to defend the Divine Love.

    Mohamed took the God's word for Love and performed it in war, defence and hate. Remember how many wars Mohamed had to fight.
    Who ever heard Jesus to fight and make war, or to keep a war ongoing?

    Jesus' words were twisted too, but he succeeded to put a mainstream of the main message - God is Love, Divine Love.

    Where you don't follow that Divine Love, you twist God's word openly and raise against God itself.


    Muslims will be punished for that, remember Sodom and Gomorrah. Don't underestimate God.

    Islam and Muslims fail in following the God's word.
    The Lord's Resistance Army, despite being Christians, clearly have not heard Jesus's "message of love"...
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    The Lord's Resistance Army, despite being Christians, clearly have not heard Jesus's "message of love"...


    Many people do it in the reality. And the message stays clear, nobody can deny it, Jesus never failed to perform the message as Mohamed failed.

    It is not enough to be a Messenger. The message requires performance and implementation also.

    If the Messenger fails to implement the message then what you can expect from the followers? nothing of course.

    Nobody denies Mohamed is a true Messenger. The problem comes when he himself is unable to follow the God's word, as God put it in his mouth.

    This is why I am absolutely sure that God Itself will fixt the distortion of Its word.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    The Lord's Resistance Army, despite being Christians, clearly have not heard Jesus's "message of love"...
    There are many Messengers throughout the human history, just some of them are forgotten, some of them never became famous or never were documented.

    Many beings in the world know God's word and perform it, not only human beings but all the nature does it, no choice, not possible to disobey God.

    When God's word is not followed, God takes care to fix the fake performers, simple as that.

    All the evolution, all the existence is based on it. Evolution in biology is exactly tracing the survival of the true followers of God. God kills and removes the offenders.

    Islam will be removed by God's will for being aside of the message, and many people know it, even in the Islam it is well known.

    This is why Vatican changes, even Vatican changes, can you imagine. Oh Vatican is a clever organization, and keeps lots of records and developed a lot of knowledge. What people see publicly is not always what Vatican shows.

    I am not Catholic and I am not admirer of Vatican, I only observe the processes. Nobody can break God's word and law, nobody.


    Islam will have to change, or Islam will be removed from the history, this way or another way. I know it looks impossible from human point of view but there are no impossibilities for God. God will take care of it and it will happen.
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    (Original post by Hasan_Ahmed)
    What rules exactly do you have a problem with? What 'hate and war' does islam proclaim?
    Let's remember what happened to Mohamed and Jesus both of them.

    After proclaiming the God's word and law, they had a period of time with their followers, gaining power (of course, God's word is powerful, true).

    Then they both faced a reaction and disagreement with the authorities (of course, God's word is a challenge for everybody).

    What Jesus did? he kept being peaceful and he kept caring for his followers with no violence, revenge or aggressive actions. He kept proclaiming (even hanged on the Christ) that all we MUST forgive the attackers, because they don't know what they do raising against the God's word.

    What Mohamed did? he gathered followers and started to fight back.

    Mohamed never proclaimed forgiveness, non-violence and Love even for your enemies and for everybody, no exception. Mohamed proclaimed hate and war for the 'enemies'. No 'enemies' in the world, it is not possible, thus you hate God, thus you revenge God. You raise against God and Its Divine Love.


    Everybody even unconsciously is able to pick up such a message. God made us sensitive about Its Divine Love and Its message 'Love each other, Love the neighbour as you Love yourself'. It is the same, it is God's possession, we are all made from God's Love. Killing another human being, you kill God's Love embedded in this being. This is why Buddhism proclaims full ban on the killing. For the reason every killer is a God's offender - directly. The heaviest sin ever in the God's Universe is to raise against God.


    What Islam does and Mohamed, is justifying violence for a human reason no matter that is NOT anymore to follow the God's law for Love.
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    (Original post by JewsRLiars)
    I'd rather we expelled the Jews than Muslims


    Jews are the driving force of mass immigration to destroy that was once White Christian Europe


    Jewish money buys politics, don't British people realise this?

    We have just seen the latest immigration figures, and under the Conservatives. You get no change on immigration no matter who you vote in. Both are Zionist occupied governments.


    First ban Jews from the media. Even the BBC is now full of their agents.

    Ban on Jewish billionaires financing our politicians and ban all these Israel groups.



    Know your real enemy White Briitsh people. The Jews are two faced scheming liars. They should be expelled for PLOTTING GENOCIDE. CORRUPTING Western civilization.

    They are not victims of genocide, quite the opposite. The Jews were involved the Armenian genocide, documented even by Israeli historians. Jews were Communists involved in the attrocities carried out by the Soviet union.

    Jews weren't bloody exterminated in camps. Think for a minute as to why there are so many survivors 70+ years on. It makes no sense to send people to camps where they were clothed and fed only to be killed minutes later...

    Holocaust is considered a fact based on a lie repeated. It is a fact because it is a crime to question it's legitimacy.

    These Holocaust survivor lying scum make me sick it is the Jewish people who should be on trial for their crimes.

    I can take your very clear point. The only little details which disturbs me is that I don't approve a demand for a conflict on such a huge scale.

    You succeeded to mix in your message Muslims, Jews, politicians, money, media, revenge, religion, holocaust, massive killing, wars, history, whites, races, immigration, I'll stop here, I can go further but let's stop here.

    Basically you ask for a world war and conflict in a huge scale.


    I am afraid I cannot approve that.

    I understand some Jews really do such things. I read history and I also am interested to understand the issue.

    I am just afraid I cannot approve such a conflict to be opened for your emotional needs (as I can see your name is Muslim name).

    Same way, Europe can blame Muslims for following Jewish demands to flood Europe. Blame doesn't help and doesn't work, is my firm opinion.


    Understanding can help, may be, for certain people, may be not for everybody.
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    (Original post by JewsRLiars)
    I'd rather we expelled the Jews than Muslims


    Jews are the driving force of mass immigration to destroy that was once White Christian Europe


    Jewish money buys politics, don't British people realise this?

    We have just seen the latest immigration figures, and under the Conservatives. You get no change on immigration no matter who you vote in. Both are Zionist occupied governments.


    First ban Jews from the media. Even the BBC is now full of their agents.

    Ban on Jewish billionaires financing our politicians and ban all these Israel groups.



    Know your real enemy White Briitsh people. The Jews are two faced scheming liars. They should be expelled for PLOTTING GENOCIDE. CORRUPTING Western civilization.

    They are not victims of genocide, quite the opposite. The Jews were involved the Armenian genocide, documented even by Israeli historians. Jews were Communists involved in the attrocities carried out by the Soviet union.

    Jews weren't bloody exterminated in camps. Think for a minute as to why there are so many survivors 70+ years on. It makes no sense to send people to camps where they were clothed and fed only to be killed minutes later...

    Holocaust is considered a fact based on a lie repeated. It is a fact because it is a crime to question it's legitimacy.

    These Holocaust survivor lying scum make me sick it is the Jewish people who should be on trial for their crimes.


    You can be absolutely sure, Jews are under God's power too.

    Appearances are visible only from a human point of view. God sees everywhere with no human senses.

    Nobody will escape God's justice, please take it calmly.

    Even you, even I, even Jews, even everybody. All of us will face it.


    Believe in God and follow God's law, no more. Thus we all can escape God's anger. Be fearful from God, not from Jews.


    Edit: God's law is:

    1. Love God before you love anything else, before you love yourself.
    2. Love yourself, thus you love God too.
    3. Love your neighbour, as you love yourself, same measure, never less.
    4. Love every other creature, they are all God's creatures as you are God creature too. Thus you love God in another way just to confirm first commandment.
    5. Don't kill, don't hurt, don't rape, don't touch anybody else for pain and hate.

    etc. being a Muslim, I am absolutely sure you know God's word.

    Jews are yur neighbours. The appearance is like they are your enemies. No, in God it is impossible to have enemies.

    Follow Gods law, forgive them, and let God give justice.

    Humans are not given that right, to revenge and to give justice. Leave God to take Its own justice. Believe me, God's justice will be much more cruel than any human justice can be.


    This is where Mohamed fails - Mohamed don't teach Muslims to believe in God's power to exercise Its Divine justice. To take the justice from God is another offence against God.

    God has good reasons to put us all in Its challenge and to check who is a real follower and believer.

    Trust God, you will never be mistaken.
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    (Original post by LadyCrystal)
    Many people do it in the reality. And the message stays clear, nobody can deny it, Jesus never failed to perform the message as Mohamed failed.

    It is not enough to be a Messenger. The message requires performance and implementation also.

    If the Messenger fails to implement the message then what you can expect from the followers? nothing of course.

    Nobody denies Mohamed is a true Messenger. The problem comes when he himself is unable to follow the God's word, as God put it in his mouth.

    This is why I am absolutely sure that God Itself will fixt the distortion of Its word.
    What does that have to do with my point about the Lord's Resistance Army?
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    What does that have to do with my point about the Lord's Resistance Army?
    There is no Lord's Resistance Army in God's world.You rely on human senses, all the time ignoring God's power and magnificence.
    God has It's own ways to apply It's own justice. Appearance can be an army, but believe me, no human army can overcome God's power and will.

    Greeks had a very interesting intellectual dispute is it possible a human to command God. Are you familiar with it?
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    (Original post by LadyCrystal)
    There is no Lord's Resistance Army in God's world.You rely on human senses, all the time ignoring God's power and magnificence.
    God has It's own ways to apply It's own justice. Appearance can be an army, but believe me, no human army can overcome God's power and will.
    So God of the Earth isn't present on Earth?

    Greeks had a very interesting intellectual dispute is it possible a human to command God. Are you familiar with it?
    From a Christian perspective, the Romans did command Jesus, who was God in one of his many manifestations.
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    So God of the Earth isn't present on Earth?



    From a Christian perspective, the Romans did command Jesus, who was God in one of his many manifestations.
    This is a very complicated dispute for non-believers I am afraid.

    I can explain it, but if you are a non-believer you will be scandalized.


    Well, let me try in a few words.
    God gives us everything, including the breath, meal and all the rest but what animates us as living creatures is the Divine Love.

    We are all made from that energy, the Divine Love, the power to animate all the Universe.

    Every time you act against God, against that Divine Love and energy, you low down that energy being expressed in your existence, and you lose connection with God Itself.

    This is why it is so essential to follow God's law and to keep that Divine Love alive. Buddhists very well know how to develop it and to keep it. That Love keeps you young, energetic, alive and gives you longevity.

    Every time you kill, rape, act against God's power, you disconnect from God and that lows down your own existence.

    We all - to the last being - consume that endless Divine Love to exist. Without that Love you cannot exist. That is the God's mercy and blessing which all of us receive from the moment we take human shape.

    Humanly, Romans probably had the human power to command the human shape called Jesus, but humanly, they didn't have the power to command the Divine Love embedded in Jesus.


    Can you understand that?

    This is what Jesus called, my Divine Kingdom. Where humans cannot touch you. Where humans don't have power. Where only God's will is active. And God's will is Divine Love.

    Quitting the human world of limited power and appearance of power Jesus gained God's power and God's justice to be Loved and Saved.

    Ask questions it is ok, just that usually sounds like nonsense for non-believers.
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    (Original post by LadyCrystal)
    This is a very complicated dispute for non-believers I am afraid.

    I can explain it, but if you are a non-believer you will be scandalized.


    Well, let me try in a few words.
    God gives us everything, including the breath, meal and all the rest but what animates us as living creatures is the Divine Love.

    We are all made from that energy, the Divine Love, the power to animate all the Universe.

    Every time you act against God, against that Divine Love and energy, you low down that energy being expressed in your existence, and you lose connection with God Itself.

    This is why it is so essential to follow God's law and to keep that Divine Love alive. Buddhists very well know how to develop it and to keep it. That Love keeps you young, energetic, alive and gives you longevity.

    Every time you kill, rape, act against God's power, you disconnect from God and that lows down your own existence.

    We all - to the last being - consume that endless Divine Love to exist. Without that Love you cannot exist. That is the God's mercy and blessing which all of us receive from the moment we take human shape.

    Humanly, Romans probably had the human power to command the human shape called Jesus, but humanly, they didn't have the power to command the Divine Love embedded in Jesus.


    Can you understand that?

    This is what Jesus called, my Divine Kingdom. Where humans cannot touch you. Where humans don't have power. Where only God's will is active. And God's will is Divine Love.

    Quitting the human world of limited power and appearance of power Jesus gained God's power and God's justice to be Loved and Saved.

    Ask questions it is ok, just that usually sounds like nonsense for non-believers.
    If the love is as you claim, divine, surely there is no dimmer or off switch?

    Surely said love will stay consistent unless you are claiming that humans exercise control of "divine love", and by extension, control over the source of the divine love which you have claimed is God?
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    (Original post by TheArtofProtest)
    If the love is as you claim, divine, surely there is no dimmer or off switch?

    Surely said love will stay consistent unless you are claiming that humans exercise control of "divine love", and by extension, control over the source of the divine love which you have claimed is God?

    Well, you use the term 'switch'. I didn't.

    I'll catch the joke and I will answer in the meaning of the same joke.

    Try to switch off your existence, what do you expect will happen?

    What happens in the God's world is usually your life is shorten, or your health is damaged, or you start having problems - with supply, with love, with family, with jobs, anything....

    Every time you break God's commands, you switch off a part of your existence and you damage yourself ..and your existence lowers down ...in the God's 'eyes'....

    God doesn't have 'eyes' though. God is Spirit, God is Consciousness.

    That Spirit is invisible for the human senses. It is a Spirit, it is not material.

    The Universe is made from that Spirit, in fact the Spirit is the Universe Itself.

    Muslims know a lot about it, also Vatican and other religions, people keep experience it and explore it. There is abundance of proofs about it, lots of books written, it is well known, and it is published, it is everywhere available, it is not forbidden knowledge.

    So, as a human shape (being) you are able only to open or to close the Source. No more.

    That's the only choice you have, occupying your human body.

    All the rest is in the hands of God.
    The only way to get God closer to you is to surrender FULLY to God. Entirely. To accept God's will, which is always the best possible destiny for you because God Loves you and cares for you. That is what Islam calls a believer.

    Is that clear enough for you?
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    No don't ban immigration for someone's religion, simple as that
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