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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Except those with clout on the continent saying "we'll make sure you get s good deal"
    by which you mean just germany. and good deals take years to make. meanwhile i want a bloody job when i get out of uni but i cant becuase Osbourne will send us into another recession.

    If Uk become better off after brexit, other states will want to leave. So theres a political vs economic conflict of interest, which equals even more uncertainty.

    And why are we doing this? Immigration, which contributes very little bad or good economically, so is irrelevant.

    The educated middle classes are getting ****ed in the arse becuase the upper class care about **** like "sovereignty", something which DOES NOT AFFECT OUR DAILY LIVES, and the uneducated poor hate brown people and cant read.
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    Technically democracy is all the people making all the decisions so no not democracy.
    Umm yes, the people either have a direct influence or an indirect influence, democracy either way.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    by which you mean just germany. and good deals take years to make. meanwhile i want a bloody job when i get out of uni but i cant becuase Osbourne will send us into another recession.

    If Uk become better off after brexit, other states will want to leave. So theres a political vs economic conflict of interest, which equals even more uncertainty.

    And why are we doing this? Immigration, which contributes very little bad or good economically, so is irrelevant.

    The educated middle classes are getting ****ed in the arse becuase the upper class care about **** like "sovereignty", something which DOES NOT AFFECT OUR DAILY LIVES, and the uneducated poor hate brown people and cant read.
    You might want to check your demographics

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    facile semantics aside, we have limited democracy, which is as it should be
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You might want to check your demographics

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    what are the demographics then?

    Immigration is a working class concern, Tory political philosophy is an upper class concern.
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    Remain: 58.6% (33,891)
    Leave: 41.4% (23,942)

    Hartlepool expected just shy of 70pc leave

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Except those with clout on the continent saying "we'll make sure you get s good deal"
    I think your first told you so moment has arrived, the Polish ambassador refused to say EU countries would use trade barriers if a Brexit happens.
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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Umm yes, the people either have a direct influence or an indirect influence, democracy either way.
    No, the definition is all direct democracy as in forms of government.
    Technically teh UK is a republic.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    what are the demographics then?

    Immigration is a working class concern, Tory political philosophy is an upper class concern.
    The upper class is more remain than the middle class

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    East Ayrshire, #EUref result:
    Remain: 58.6% (33,891)
    Leave: 41.4% (23,942)

    Basildon, #EUref result:
    Remain: 31.4% (30,748)
    Leave: 68.6% (67,251)

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    The upper class is more remain than the middle class

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    Interesting. I wonder how broadly middle class is defined.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    No, the definition is all direct democracy as in forms of government.
    Technically teh UK is a republic.
    The UK is a liberal, representative democracy
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    (Original post by Aph)
    No, the definition is all direct democracy as in forms of government.
    Technically teh UK is a republic.
    Bar fearing it will make me a mentally disturbed commie, can I have what you're smoking and furnish you with a new dictionary?

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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    The UK is a liberal, representative democracy
    But representative democracy is actually a republic.
    http://depts.alverno.edu/dgp/GEC/Typ...overnment.html
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    Hartlepool 18000 leave majority

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    Remain: 30.4% (14,029)
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    Birmingham projected to have around 55-60% for Remain
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    First welsh result is for leave

    Stockton-on-Tees, #EUref result:
    Remain: 38.3% (38,433)
    Leave: 61.7% (61,982)

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