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    (Original post by Zürich)
    If Cesc goes to the Chavs then I'm just done with football, cant take this **** anymore
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    Graham Hunter is not reliable. Don't you remember when he said Arsenal will not sell Fabregas for anything less than 90M? Or more recently when he got the Garay/Thiago transfers horribly wrong. Either way I would welcome Chelsea bids. We need other clubs to bid before we can use the first refusal.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Worst of all we'll all know Wenger passed up the chance to sign him and prevent strengthening a rival. If Cesc goes to Chelsea Wenger will probably come out with our midfield is full rhetoric. There are no excuses for Wenger anymore he has to win the league next season.
    You're waiting for the bid to be accepted, Cesc will stall, Wenger will buy because of the contract.

    If I was Mourinho I wouldn't touch Fabregas. Or would have tapped him up months ago in preparation for this. He's falling right into Arsene's trap.

    Saying that I don't think there's much difference in quality between who you currently have(the guy with the very good peripheral vision and Ramsey) who play in Cesc's positions.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Worst of all we'll all know Wenger passed up the chance to sign him and prevent strengthening a rival. If Cesc goes to Chelsea Wenger will probably come out with our midfield is full rhetoric. There are no excuses for Wenger anymore he has to win the league next season.
    Why spend 30m on a player you don't need?

    Even if it is Cesc Fabregas.
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    (Original post by Yawn-er)
    Why spend 30m on a player you don't need?

    Even if it is Cesc Fabregas.
    Willian? Salah? Vitesse's starting XI? You didn't "need" those players either.
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    (Original post by little_tom)
    Willian? Salah? Vitesse's starting XI? You didn't "need" those players either.
    I think Chelsea are crying out for a player like Cesc tbh, they'd win the title next year and challenge for the CL with him 100%
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    Fee agreed (which I doubt) does not mean player agreed to join. Cesc probably wouldn't. And then there's still first refusal for Arsenal, as Jam said.
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    It will be entirely Wenger's fault of Cesc goes to Chelsea.


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    (Original post by Peggles_*)
    It will be entirely Wenger's fault of Cesc goes to Chelsea.


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    You probably think Wenger's responsible when the milkman is late
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    (Original post by little_tom)
    Willian? Salah? Vitesse's starting XI? You didn't "need" those players either.
    The funny thing is that we actually need Fabregas.

    We'll simply play him deeper. He can play as a no.8 and a no.10. Anybody saying we don't need him needs to look at the god awful play we've been subjected to watch this season. Effective but you could make it more effective with Fabregas in Lampards position.
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    It will be entirely Wenger's fault of Cesc goes to Chelsea.


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    Jose is falling into Wengers trap. Although I guess it's worth a try. Even if you do get Fabregas it's not going to strengthen your team that much. He's not better than Ozil as a no.10 and he's not better than Ramsey if Ramsey keeps up the form of last season. You think Fab would be on course for 20 goals a season like Ramsey was last season if injury free?

    You'd think that City and Liverpool would have made a move for him e.g. We're falling into a trap and it's so plain to see.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    You're waiting for the bid to be accepted, Cesc will stall, Wenger will buy because of the contract.

    If I was Mourinho I wouldn't touch Fabregas. Or would have tapped him up months ago in preparation for this. He's falling right into Arsene's trap.

    Saying that I don't think there's much difference in quality between who you currently have(the guy with the very good peripheral vision and Ramsey) who play in Cesc's positions.
    I'll be honest I hope that's how it's playing out. The trap is all dependant on Wenger and we all know what he's like.

    I agree about the quality of what we already have compared to Cesc but can we rely on their fitness? Strength in depth.

    (Original post by Yawn-er)
    Why spend 30m on a player you don't need?

    Even if it is Cesc Fabregas.
    Why did Arsenal sign Ozil, We didn't need him so why sign him?

    Is Jack gunna last the whole season uninjured, probably not.

    Flamini, Cazorla, Arteta, Rosicky aren't getting younger.

    We don't want our rival being strengthen with a world class player.

    When a player of such quality becomes available for such a low price you don't refuse. If Wenger had known Cesc would be available would he have signed Ozil for £42M???
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    I never said Chelsea don't need Fabregas, I just find it funny how a Chelsea fan is saying we don't need Fabregas (fair enough) when the main reason they bought Salah and Willian was to stop other clubs from strengthening.

    For Mourinho to get the best out of Cesc he would have to build the team around him and allow him to do whatever the **** he wants like how Wenger utilized him in his Arsenal days. I don't think Mourinho is prepared to do that, and I don't know how useful he would be against parked buses if he doesn't change his overall style of play.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    You think Fab would be on course for 20 goals a season like Ramsey was last season if injury free?
    Again this depends entirely on how Mourinho uses him. And I certainly don't see him using Fabregas the same way Wenger used him.
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    Podolski must have been in the same squad as Alex Song for about 3 days, and has never played with Eto'o. So Poldi captions a photo of them as with his 'friends'. Also #GerCam

    Poldi is like that guy who knows everyone and spends 6h each day networking with random people :laugh:
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    (Original post by little_tom)
    Again this depends entirely on how Mourinho uses him. And I certainly don't see him using Fabregas the same way Wenger used him.
    I mean for Arsenal? Because I see him going to Arsenal.
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    (Original post by little_tom)
    Willian? Salah? Vitesse's starting XI? You didn't "need" those players either.
    Like Zurich says ^ - CFC need Fabregas (or a top-tier central midfielder). Just happens that Fabregas is available. I'd be happy with Pogba/Vidal/Koke, but Fabregas isn't too shabby.

    Willian we didn't need (although it paid off very, very well - most consistent performer), but after losing Mata + KDB, Salah was definitely needed as cover.

    It's different for you guys though. Ox/Ramsey/Wilshere all desperately need a lot of game-time to become top-tier players. Fabregas would mean one of them (probably the Ox) just wouldn't get to fulfill his potential.

    Would you take an Ox that has 90-100% fulfilled his potential as a top-tier midfielder, or a Fabregas at 27 who'll be at his peak for 3 years or so?
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    Bring on 1st of September already so I can get on some ssris.


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    (Original post by jam278)
    I mean for Arsenal? Because I see him going to Arsenal.
    It's still too early too see if Wenger is interested and if so, how he would use him with Ozil in the team. Ramsey can't be dropped since no one else in our squad offers that amount of energy/defensive work-rate in the b2b role.
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    (Original post by little_tom)
    It's still too early too see if Wenger is interested and if so, how he would use him with Ozil in the team. Ramsey can't be dropped since no one else in our squad offers that amount of energy/defensive work-rate in the b2b role.
    He'll use him everywhere rotating with everybody in different positions. Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil all suffered burnouts because Wenger essentially played the same first 11 the whole season.

    It's obvious how he's going to use him, considering how people get injured all the time.

    He's staying at Barca or will be an Arsenal player. Wenger has got this which I'd hate to say. Chelsea can't outbid Arsenal because of the first refusal and we're not going to give Fabregas above 130k a week which would be what he'd probably ask for tbh.
    (Original post by Yawn-er)
    Like Zurich says ^ - CFC need Fabregas (or a top-tier central midfielder). Just happens that Fabregas is available. I'd be happy with Pogba/Vidal/Koke, but Fabregas isn't too shabby.

    Willian we didn't need (although it paid off very, very well - most consistent performer), but after losing Mata + KDB, Salah was definitely needed as cover.

    It's different for you guys though. Ox/Ramsey/Wilshere all desperately need a lot of game-time to become top-tier players. Fabregas would mean one of them (probably the Ox) just wouldn't get to fulfill his potential.

    Would you take an Ox that has 90-100% fulfilled his potential as a top-tier midfielder, or a Fabregas at 27 who'll be at his peak for 3 years or so?
    We're not getting Vidal, he's next to impossible to attain, only Madrid can you see getting him and he doesn't sort out the issue of creativity to the level we need him to.

    Salah wasn't needed as cover.

    Ox can play on either wing, so I don't get why you're using Chamberlain here. At worst Wilshere will struggle and tbh he'll find a way to fit them. People will get injuries. This is Arsenal we are talking about.
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    Pretty obvious what Arsenal need to do if they bring in Cesc...

    - DM Ramsey
    --- Fabregas
    Ozil ST Walcott
 
 
 
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