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    (Original post by Aph)
    What is?
    I believe that the people who will be affected by change should make the decisions. That has nothing to do with the elderly having different veiws.
    Why are the elderly not affected by change?

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    Hear hear.

    I have come to disagree with corbyn on a lot of issues but i hold no doubt in my mind that everything he does, he does with the most pure intent of attampting to make britain and the world a better place.

    We can disagree with the how but i dont think its fair to be attacking the man when he's a very decent chap by all accounts.

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    And I have all the time in the world for people who disagree with him politically - as I sometimes find myself doing.
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    Why are the elderly not affected by change?

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    Presumably due to their imminent deaths?
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    Social justice - a better standard of living for all - general well being. Democracy can help make these things happen but isn't intrinsically more important.

    You said it was because they voted for right-wing in parties.

    So are people without 2.1 undergrad degrees not affected by political decisions?
    To achieve that you need an authoritarian state I belive.

    When?

    That was as a result of me being annoyed at all the stupid reasons I had heard my peers using for whey there were voting a certain way in the referendum.
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    Why are the elderly not affected by change?

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    I also believe that with people aproaching 70, they were brought up in a different time, there are at least 2 generations between them and the youth of today so they will often have outdated veiws not in line with the realities of life.
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    I also believe that with people aproaching 70, they were brought up in a different time, there are at least 2 generations between them and the youth of today so they will often have outdated veiws not in line with the realities of life.
    Translation: their experience paints a picture different to my idealism
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    Presumably due to their imminent deaths?
    We have plenty people living past 100 nowadays. Unless you can prove someone is going to die shortly then disenfranchising them is abhorrent in my opinion.

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    To achieve that you need an authoritarian state I belive.

    When?

    That was as a result of me being annoyed at all the stupid reasons I had heard my peers using for whey there were voting a certain way in the referendum.
    I'm fine with you believing that. I just don't see how you can believe that and call yourself a 'democrat'.

    When you first suggested it.

    Ok. Still.
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    I'm fine with you believing that. I just don't see how you can believe that and call yourself a 'democrat'.

    When you first suggested it.

    Ok. Still.
    Because I also belive that democracy is important to prevent a dictatorship...
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    (Original post by Aph)
    That was as a result of me being annoyed at all the stupid reasons I had heard my peers using for whey there were voting a certain way in the referendum.
    Do you have a 2.1 or higher? If not then you somehow remarkably nanaged to form a judgement based on your own intelligence rather than a degree. But of course, youre special.

    I also believe that with people aproaching 70, they were brought up in a different time, there are at least 2 generations between them and the youth of today so they will often have outdated veiws not in line with the realities of life.
    Though their views may be outdated they are still their views. Why should their views be silenced and yours not?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Translation: their experience paints a picture different to my idealism
    Not at all.
    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Do you have a 2.1 or higher? If not then you somehow remarkably nanaged to form a judgement based on your own intelligence rather than a degree. But of course, youre special.



    Though their views may be outdated they are still their views. Why should their views be silenced and yours not?

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    There was also an IQ and a job requirement too....

    Because it should be up the the people who have another 60-80 years left not another 10-20...
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    Not at all.

    There was also an IQ and a job requirement too....

    Because it should be up the the people who have another 60-80 years left not another 10-20...
    Statistically that is very nearly the set of people who cannot vote now, the people who should be voting are -1 to 19 for men and 3-23 for women.
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    Not at all.

    There was also an IQ and a job requirement too....

    Because it should be up the the people who have another 60-80 years left not another 10-20...
    It should be up to all people, we cant say for sure how long any of us have left to live.

    As for the IQ test, its only one measure of intelligence and disenfranchising people based on it is silly.

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    When you first suggested it.
    I believe it was when he suggested culling the elderly.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Statistically that is very nearly the set of people who cannot vote now, the people who should be voting are -1 to 19 for men and 3-23 for women.
    I'd say 16-55 and very intelligent 10+ year olds.
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    It should be up to all people, we cant say for sure how long any of us have left to live.

    As for the IQ test, its only one measure of intelligence and disenfranchising people based on it is silly.

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    Why should it be up to everyone?

    Actually it isn't even that... Its intelligence potential and tests logic and reasoning skills.
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    Statistically that is very nearly the set of people who cannot vote now, the people who should be voting are -1 to 19 for men and 3-23 for women.
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    Hear hear.

    I have come to disagree with corbyn on a lot of issues but i hold no doubt in my mind that everything he does, he does with the most pure intent of attampting to make britain and the world a better place.

    We can disagree with the how but i dont think its fair to be attacking the man when he's a very decent chap by all accounts.

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    The dirty Lynton Crosby/Rupert Murdoch world of politics.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    I'd say 16-55 and very intelligent 10+ year olds.

    Why should it be up to everyone?

    Actually it isn't even that... Its intelligence potential and tests logic and reasoning skills.
    So you mean those with 65-26 years left, which is very different to 60-80. And it should be up to everybody because that's what democracy means...

    In case you forgot "Democracy" came via French and Late Latin from the Greek "Demos" meaning 'the people', and "-kratia" meaning 'power, rule'; literally it means power of the people
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So you mean those with 65-26 years left, which is very different to 60-80. And it should be up to everybody because that's what democracy means...

    In case you forgot "Democracy" came via French and Late Latin from the Greek "Demos" meaning 'the people', and "-kratia" meaning 'power, rule'; literally it means power of the people
    A thing is not right because of the way it's defined.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    A thing is not right because of the way it's defined.
    So in which languages are definitions of words are not the same as their definitions?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So in which languages are definitions of words are not the same as their definitions?
    I'm saying that just because of its origins doesn't mean it can't be applied differently.
 
 
 
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