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    (Original post by Samus2)
    My first day involved the admin side of things - who the relevant people were
    tour of the school
    staff conduct
    staffroom/lunch arrangements
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    SIMS training





    Failing the academic side of things will impact on the university just as much as the teaching side of things. It all goes to the individual tutors statistics and reports. Even if you passed the essay at level 6, that'd be on the tutors record that 98% managed a level 7 pass and 2% didn't
    Woah, I did not know that! :0 How did you find it out?
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    Woah, I did not know that! :0 How did you find it out?
    We have three tutors oer the course of the year and 3 different essays, when I told my Curriculum tutor that I didn't really care about the last one because I had the masters for the other two essays and therefore the PGCE, he said that it affects his record
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    God its my first day at my new job. I got told to show up for 10, im like half an hour early and i feel ready to throw up im so anxious!
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    Long time haven't been here!

    Can someone tell me what happens during induction please?

    My school started my contract in September which is kind of terrifying - I haven't been told anything about induction or of that sort just my starting date..

    My HOD has asked me to come in 2 days this week, to get some sort of 'hand over' information from the teacher leaving - is this supposed to be paid? How do I bring that up with her for some reason, I'm assuming she expects me to go in willy nilly without pay, is this how is supposed to be? :/

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    (Original post by Sam89)
    Long time haven't been here!

    Can someone tell me what happens during induction please?

    My school started my contract in September which is kind of terrifying - I haven't been told anything about induction or of that sort just my starting date..

    My HOD has asked me to come in 2 days this week, to get some sort of 'hand over' information from the teacher leaving - is this supposed to be paid? How do I bring that up with her for some reason, I'm assuming she expects me to go in willy nilly without pay, is this how is supposed to be? :/

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    I've been told by multiple people to expect pay for "handover" days since they're above and beyond. Apparently we're supposed to assert ourselves as not being pushovers but I would have no idea how to handle that. I'm going in next week hopefully but I have no idea what's happening regarding pay.

    I don't handle these sorts of situations well :/

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    (Original post by ParadoxSocks)
    I've been told by multiple people to expect pay for "handover" days since they're above and beyond. Apparently we're supposed to assert ourselves as not being pushovers but I would have no idea how to handle that. I'm going in next week hopefully but I have no idea what's happening regarding pay.

    I don't handle these sorts of situations well :/

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    what do you mean by above and beyond? *nervous*
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    (Original post by Sam89)
    what do you mean by above and beyond? *nervous*
    As in, not an actual requirement of the job but rather an additional thing that we can choose to do.
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    Feeling completely confused. Have tried speaking to my department to find out what is going on now that I have withdrawn from QTS, because I've been applying to TA roles and don't know how to describe my situation. The department told me that I have a 'post-graduate certificate in the theory of education' but wouldn't elaborate on what this meant. All they kept repeating was that I will not be able to teach (which was the one thing I did know). I asked if this was the same as having a PGCE without QTS (which is how I've been describing it so far) but they said this was not true. I'm feeling very frustrated and confused. I don't even know if I am expected to attend graduation and the department's way of speaking to me was so unhelpful ("I don't know how to... it's a post graduate cert in theory of education!) They tried to tell me I had only passed two modules (when I've been told I've passed the third academic one) and then when I told them this they said it didn't count! Not got a clue who I need to speak to next as I've been told my case is 'rare' and nobody seems to have a clue!
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    (Original post by alabelle)
    Feeling completely confused. Have tried speaking to my department to find out what is going on now that I have withdrawn from QTS, because I've been applying to TA roles and don't know how to describe my situation. The department told me that I have a 'post-graduate certificate in the theory of education' but wouldn't elaborate on what this meant. All they kept repeating was that I will not be able to teach (which was the one thing I did know). I asked if this was the same as having a PGCE without QTS (which is how I've been describing it so far) but they said this was not true. I'm feeling very frustrated and confused. I don't even know if I am expected to attend graduation and the department's way of speaking to me was so unhelpful ("I don't know how to... it's a post graduate cert in theory of education!) They tried to tell me I had only passed two modules (when I've been told I've passed the third academic one) and then when I told them this they said it didn't count! Not got a clue who I need to speak to next as I've been told my case is 'rare' and nobody seems to have a clue!
    What university is this? If your PGCE is inside the School of Social Sciences/Education, contact the Dean/Head of that School. Alternatively, contact the VC himself. You are their customer, you should assert yourself as such. I don't think the VC will ignore you. And in the unlikely case that he does, you could send letters to DfE and Ofsted so they can check what is going on. It seems like they are not being competent. But you should not just sit and let it go because you paid for a service and they must abide. All the best.
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    Any idea how competitive Oxford/Cambridge would be for a PGCE in physics?
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    (Original post by Juichiro)
    What university is this? If your PGCE is inside the School of Social Sciences/Education, contact the Dean/Head of that School. Alternatively, contact the VC himself. You are their customer, you should assert yourself as such. I don't think the VC will ignore you. And in the unlikely case that he does, you could send letters to DfE and Ofsted so they can check what is going on. It seems like they are not being competent. But you should not just sit and let it go because you paid for a service and they must abide. All the best.
    Thanks for your reply. I don't want to say which university it is as they are a very well-known university and I don't want to get into trouble for discussing them. Should I contact my program director? I'm not sure who the Dean/Head or VC are and am not entirely confident about contacting them as I don't want to be seen as going over the heads of staff on my course. I don't want to let it go as I'm applying for jobs and need to know what to say on application forms!
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    (Original post by Carnationlilyrose)

    In other news, I taught my last ever lesson today.
    Congratulations and commiserations in equal measure! As someone who's a year further down the line than you, I offer a few words (feel free to ignore them though!)

    It doesn't take long to adapt - the worst part is 'losing your identity' when someone asks you what you do. 'I'm a teac... No, hang on a minute, I'm not'

    The best part is waking up in the morning and thinking 'what shall I do today?' Freedom! Although I spent the first six months feeling guilty or thinking I should be doing something.

    Holidays during term time are quite something - we went to a museum last week and had the Whole Place to ourselves! Weird.

    Keeping up with what's going on in school is really difficult - even if you visit, it's like you are speaking a different language.

    I now do lots of governor stuff (ex teachers are very much in demand) so start to practice saying 'no' if you don't want to get involved in that. Or invigilating. Or cover.

    Seriously though, retirement is great and I'm glad I did it early.





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    So glad to see so many people finishing the PGCE - now I don't have to feel quite so guilty about having finished my school experience so long ago! At the same time, I'm really sorry to see that some of us have fallen at the final hurdle, and hope it all works out for you in the end.

    I finished at university on Thursday, and am having a difficult time adjusting to not being a teacher for the next few months. I've got to lean to drive and buy a car over the summer, but other than that am not really sure whether to start planning ahead for next year once I have my timetable. What is everyone else doing?

    (Original post by Sam89)
    Long time haven't been here!

    Can someone tell me what happens during induction please?

    My school started my contract in September which is kind of terrifying - I haven't been told anything about induction or of that sort just my starting date..

    My HOD has asked me to come in 2 days this week, to get some sort of 'hand over' information from the teacher leaving - is this supposed to be paid? How do I bring that up with her for some reason, I'm assuming she expects me to go in willy nilly without pay, is this how is supposed to be? :/

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    I didn't expect to be paid for my induction, but then it was only for a day. It depends how the school view the day, I would guess - for me it was very much seen as something to help the new teachers, and so wasn't seen as something that should have been paid. Perhaps ask your university tutor what they think?

    (Original post by TunaTunnel)
    Any idea how competitive Oxford/Cambridge would be for a PGCE in physics?
    Physics PGCEs are never going to be properly competitive, even if they are at Oxbridge (or the IoE who - as they will tell you in every email they send - are first in the world for teacher training...). If you are well-qualified and motivated, I shouldn't think there would be too much competition out there for any physics PGCE (Physics with Maths can be a little more competitive, but not much).

    (Original post by returnofthewaz)
    Don't want to hijack any previous conversation thread, but I'm due to start my PGCE this August. I thought I'd ask some current students, what response do you normally give to students who ask "Are you a student teacher?".
    I've always just said "yes". It's really obvious you are because there's always someone at the back taking notes on you, you're unlikely to have a SIMS login to do the register, and you've arrived at a weird time of the year. Answering simply means it doesn't become an issue, and provided you're consistent in your expectations of behavior (easier said than done) you shouldn't have any problems. I taught in both a really nice and a really rough school this year, and never regretted being open about it.
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    (Original post by tory88)
    So glad to see so many people finishing the PGCE - now I don't have to feel quite so guilty about having finished my school experience so long ago! At the same time, I'm really sorry to see that some of us have fallen at the final hurdle, and hope it all works out for you in the end.

    I finished at university on Thursday, and am having a difficult time adjusting to not being a teacher for the next few months. I've got to lean to drive and buy a car over the summer, but other than that am not really sure whether to start planning ahead for next year once I have my timetable. What is everyone else doing?



    I didn't expect to be paid for my induction, but then it was only for a day. It depends how the school view the day, I would guess - for me it was very much seen as something to help the new teachers, and so wasn't seen as something that should have been paid. Perhaps ask your university tutor what they think?



    Physics PGCEs are never going to be properly competitive, even if they are at Oxbridge (or the IoE who - as they will tell you in every email they send - are first in the world for teacher training...). If you are well-qualified and motivated, I shouldn't think there would be too much competition out there for any physics PGCE (Physics with Maths can be a little more competitive, but not much).



    I've always just said "yes". It's really obvious you are because there's always someone at the back taking notes on you, you're unlikely to have a SIMS login to do the register, and you've arrived at a weird time of the year. Answering simply means it doesn't become an issue, and provided you're consistent in your expectations of behavior (easier said than done) you shouldn't have any problems. I taught in both a really nice and a really rough school this year, and never regretted being open about it.
    I'll be graduating with a Masters from Durham (I could get a 2:1 with hard work this year but it would be borderline 2:2) and have experience in ~8 schools and 2-4 weeks in total.
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    (Original post by Jantaculum)
    Congratulations and commiserations in equal measure! As someone who's a year further down the line than you, I offer a few words (feel free to ignore them though!)

    It doesn't take long to adapt - the worst part is 'losing your identity' when someone asks you what you do. 'I'm a teac... No, hang on a minute, I'm not'

    The best part is waking up in the morning and thinking 'what shall I do today?' Freedom! Although I spent the first six months feeling guilty or thinking I should be doing something.

    Holidays during term time are quite something - we went to a museum last week and had the Whole Place to ourselves! Weird.

    Keeping up with what's going on in school is really difficult - even if you visit, it's like you are speaking a different language.

    I now do lots of governor stuff (ex teachers are very much in demand) so start to practice saying 'no' if you don't want to get involved in that. Or invigilating. Or cover.

    Seriously though, retirement is great and I'm glad I did it early.





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    Thanks so much for this! I don't think there's enough call to have a 'Current retirees support thread' on here, so it's great to hear from one of my own peers instead of the trainees! I've been thinking pretty much along the lines of most of what you've said - holidays booked in September, October and November already! - and we're planning lots of Pensioner Training Days out. (Spouse retires this term, too.)

    I don't think I want to have anything more to do with schools at the moment, so being a governor doesn't appeal, although I'm keeping my foot in the door about invigilation and cover. Unlikely, though.

    I know I won't have a clue what's going on in school within a month, but my mates will keep me up to speed with the gossip. I do wonder about the identity thing but I'm quite curious to see who I really am underneath, after all this time. Like you, I've gone early so as to have the chance to make a new life before it's too late. I don't think I will really know what I want to do until I've thoroughly detoxed for a year or so.

    Only two day trips and half a day of assemblies, followed by a buffet from the governors and then I'm outta there!

    Really happy to have discovered a peer!
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    (Original post by alabelle)
    Thanks for your reply. I don't want to say which university it is as they are a very well-known university and I don't want to get into trouble for discussing them. Should I contact my program director? I'm not sure who the Dean/Head or VC are and am not entirely confident about contacting them as I don't want to be seen as going over the heads of staff on my course. I don't want to let it go as I'm applying for jobs and need to know what to say on application forms!
    If you speak to them and they don't help you shouldn't feel bad about it. They had a chance to avoid it being escalated.

    (Original post by ParadoxSocks)
    I've been told by multiple people to expect pay for "handover" days since they're above and beyond. Apparently we're supposed to assert ourselves as not being pushovers but I would have no idea how to handle that. I'm going in next week hopefully but I have no idea what's happening regarding pay.

    I don't handle these sorts of situations well :/

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    Personally I wouldn't expect pay, mainly because teaching is salaried rather than paid hourly/daily. To pay you for a day next week would mean they'd have to pay you all through the summer, so there is a difference. Having said that you will be doing a little prep over the summer so maybe that's fair?

    I guess my instinct is that not paying you for this isn't necessarily an indicator that they will expect more from you without pay in the long run, at least not more than the average teaching job.

    I would say though that it's fine to not go if you wish since you aren't being paid. But personally I would have happily given two days for handover to actually speak to the previous teachers and be in the loop with the others in my year group/subject. Handover is amazing. Everyone should do it! You really learn a lot (as long as you make sure to get to know each child with you as well). Certainly I feel like its worthwhile and is really helping the children as some of the wealth of knowledge the child's previous teacher has is passed on... Much more useful than reading a sheet of data. I much more begrudge the many many evenings and weekends spent filling in meaningless paperwork.

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    (Original post by TunaTunnel)
    I'll be graduating with a Masters from Durham (I could get a 2:1 with hard work this year but it would be borderline 2:2) and have experience in ~8 schools and 2-4 weeks in total.
    With a 2:1 you should definitely be fine to apply anywhere, and even if not you could still put forward a strong case. We only get something like a third of the trainees in Physics each year, so having a god university and a specialist degree should really help you, as should your experience. I'd say if you like the idea of Oxbridge, go for it.

    (As a general aside, be aware that you will almost certainly be teaching A LOT of chemistry and biology next year, although after that most schools tend to only want to give you physics classes).)
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    (Original post by tory88)
    With a 2:1 you should definitely be fine to apply anywhere, and even if not you could still put forward a strong case. We only get something like a third of the trainees in Physics each year, so having a god university and a specialist degree should really help you, as should your experience. I'd say if you like the idea of Oxbridge, go for it.

    (As a general aside, be aware that you will almost certainly be teaching A LOT of chemistry and biology next year, although after that most schools tend to only want to give you physics classes).)
    I want to do physics and mathematics to remoe chem/bio. Teachers said that was better and more in demand, TSR says opposite.
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    (Original post by TunaTunnel)
    I want to do physics and mathematics to remoe chem/bio. Teachers said that was better and more in demand, TSR says opposite.
    I do Physics with Maths. You will not avoid teaching biology or chemistry on your PGCE year - you will be attached to a science department for most of your timetable and they will use you to teach any of the sciences.

    In terms of employability, to be honest everyone who wants a job and is any good with either Physics or Physics with Maths will get one. Schools are generally reluctant to let you work cross-departments, but if you're a good candidate you can usually argue it (I think 50% of my course have managed to get some maths into their timetable). Myself, I had two job offers, both of which gave me some maths involvement.
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    I'm just back from a week at my new school, didn't even think to ask for pay! They paid for my flights and let me stay in the school house though for free though so I wasn't out of pocket as such. I had a question I was hoping someone could help with. I'd love to take a football team next year in my school but I'm unsure of what credentials I need. Is there a course that I'd need to have taken in order to coach my pupils? And if so would it be likely that the school would pay for it? Or as a teacher there can I just put my name forward to help without any additional qualifications?
 
 
 
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