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    The EL knockout stages don't start until mid February, plenty of time to find some form.
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    Lol at comparing Sterlings situation to Naismith.

    Koke yes that's a fair situation to compare with but not Naismith.
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    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...ul_take_ons#90

    Last season, Eden Hazard vs Raheem Sterling, per 90 statistics

    Assists: 0.22 vs 0.20 Haz - marginal
    Non penalty goals 0.31 vs 0.37 RS (self adjusted figures because squawka doesn't give NPG)
    Key passes 2.65 vs 1.87 Haz
    Shot accuracy% 59 vs 67 RS
    Interceptions 0.59 vs 0.81 RS
    Tackles won 0.56 vs 1.30 RS
    Successful take-ons 4.11 vs 3.73 Haz

    These are generally the statistics that you would want from an attacking wide player. 4-3 to Raheem, one of Hazard's wins near-as-no-difference

    In clearances and blocks, Sterling wins again, comfortably. Pass completion goes Hazard's way by 1%.

    This is what you can say conclusively - Raheem is much better defensively than Hazard. And then you can say that it's pretty close in an attacking sense.

    At 19 years of age he was on a par with 'star winger' of the league. Statistics don't tell you everything but it's clear that he was putting out a remarkable level of performance last year. One that can't be understated.

    100-120k is not much at all for that.
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...ul_take_ons#90

    Last season, Eden Hazard vs Raheem Sterling, per 90 statistics

    Assists: 0.22 vs 0.20 Haz - marginal
    Non penalty goals 0.31 vs 0.37 RS (self adjusted figures because squawka doesn't give NPG)
    Key passes 2.65 vs 1.87 Haz
    Shot accuracy% 59 vs 67 RS
    Interceptions 0.59 vs 0.81 RS
    Tackles won 0.56 vs 1.30 RS
    Successful take-ons 4.11 vs 3.73 Haz

    These are generally the statistics that you would want from an attacking wide player. 4-3 to Raheem, one of Hazard's wins near-as-no-difference

    In clearances and blocks, Sterling wins again, comfortably. Pass completion goes Hazard's way by 1%.

    This is what you can say conclusively - Raheem is much better defensively than Hazard. And then you can say that it's pretty close in an attacking sense.

    At 19 years of age he was on a par with 'star winger' of the league. Statistics don't tell you everything but it's clear that he was putting out a remarkable level of performance last year. One that can't be understated.

    100-120k is not much at all for that.
    Hazard carried our team from around December to March last year then fell off because he was injured and had to lug the likes of Ramires and Mikel around. Sterling was playing in the most confident attacking team in the league and it's obvious Suarez lifted everybody's game considerably - including Sterling.

    Hazard's better defensively now anyway. Not that that is something you should be judging an attacking player on anyway. This myth that he has no defensively ability is pretty much just based on one mistake v Atletico in the CL semi finals last year, bar that he's pretty good.

    You're forgetting that penalties still need to be scored, self-adjusting the figures because Hazard takes penalties and Sterling doesn't doesn't make that a fair comparison. Not that it ever really was tbh.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Hazard carried our team from around December to March last year then fell off because he was injured and had to lug the likes of Ramires and Mikel around. Sterling was playing in the most confident attacking team in the league and it's obvious Suarez lifted everybody's game considerably - including Sterling.

    Hazard's better defensively now anyway. Not that that is something you should be judging an attacking player on anyway. This myth that he has no defensively ability is pretty much just based on one mistake v Atletico in the CL semi finals last year, bar that he's pretty good.

    You're forgetting that penalties still need to be scored, self-adjusting the figures because Hazard takes penalties and Sterling doesn't doesn't make that a fair comparison. Not that it ever really was tbh.
    It's not supposed to conclusively say who was the better player. (the whole attacking team thing isn't really fair because Hazard should theoretically have better defensive stats, and Sterling ****s all over him).

    The only point of that comparison was that suggesting 100-120k for a player with that level of performance is perfectly reasonable.

    For the record, Hazard is 4 years older and a much better player than Raheem of December 2014.
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    http://www.squawka.com/comparison-ma...ul_take_ons#90

    Last season, Eden Hazard vs Raheem Sterling, per 90 statistics

    Assists: 0.22 vs 0.20 Haz - marginal
    Non penalty goals 0.31 vs 0.37 RS (self adjusted figures because squawka doesn't give NPG)
    Key passes 2.65 vs 1.87 Haz
    Shot accuracy% 59 vs 67 RS
    Interceptions 0.59 vs 0.81 RS
    Tackles won 0.56 vs 1.30 RS
    Successful take-ons 4.11 vs 3.73 Haz

    These are generally the statistics that you would want from an attacking wide player. 4-3 to Raheem, one of Hazard's wins near-as-no-difference

    In clearances and blocks, Sterling wins again, comfortably. Pass completion goes Hazard's way by 1%.

    This is what you can say conclusively - Raheem is much better defensively than Hazard. And then you can say that it's pretty close in an attacking sense.

    At 19 years of age he was on a par with 'star winger' of the league. Statistics don't tell you everything but it's clear that he was putting out a remarkable level of performance last year. One that can't be understated.

    100-120k is not much at all for that.
    Tbf to Sterling he doesn't really have players who are good enough next to him. Sturridge ofc and Coutinho on his day but the rest are pretty average at best. He looked better than he was last season with Suarez and Sturridge affording him more space on the ball.

    I think he can hold you to ransom looking at that point of view. I don't think it's worth giving him that contract yet though.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Tbf to Sterling he doesn't really have players who are good enough next to him. Sturridge ofc and Coutinho on his day but the rest are pretty average at best. He looked better than he was last season with Suarez and Sturridge affording him more space on the ball.

    I think he can hold you to ransom looking at that point of view. I don't think it's worth giving him that contract yet though.
    For sure - being tripled up on every game is not helping his productivity at all, and it's part of the reason why there's the accusation that he 'slows things down'. If he had the level of players that Hazard has around him then we'd be seeing similar stats this season too - no doubt.

    The truth though, is that we have a remarkable young player. The best teenager in Europe. If Luke Shaw gets 100k then he's perfectly entitled to 150, but 100ish is what it should be really.

    I'm not too worried by the contract demands - Raheem knows that Brendan has had such a huge influence on his play.
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    For sure - being tripled up on every game is not helping his productivity at all, and it's part of the reason why there's the accusation that he 'slows things down'. If he had the level of players that Hazard has around him then we'd be seeing similar stats this season too - no doubt.

    The truth though, is that we have a remarkable young player. The best teenager in Europe. If Luke Shaw gets 100k then he's perfectly entitled to 150, but 100ish is what it should be really.

    I'm not too worried by the contract demands - Raheem knows that Brendan has had such a huge influence on his play.
    Tbf I think Hazard gets the same treatment. He gets no help from the left flank on the overlap with Azpilicueta there so people just narrow it up. If anything Hazard gives the other players like Costa, Ivanovic and Willian more space to play as they're usually the most advanced players.

    Sterling would be great at Real Madrid where he's not the main focal point of the team but one of many focal points and they get a lot of space to play. I think if you had a better quality team attacking wise you could afford to give Sterling a lower paid contract around 80-85k.

    To make things simple. Relative to the team he probably deserves above 100k, relative to his actual ability probably around 80k.
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    Sterling rejected contract? How long does he have left on the current one?
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    (Original post by Gob Bluth)
    Naismith is ****e though to be fair.

    Standard of teams in the EL is so **** this year.

    Easy winnable. Liverpool are favourites. Everton 4th ffs says it all
    Roma are favourites
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    The best teenager in Europe.
    Lol. Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever seen on here. Sterling isnt even a teenager any more and if you are talking only of players who are the same age or younger then Memphis Depay is probably the best in Europe. I wouldnt even say Sterling is near the top of the list either.

    If you extend the category just a little bit then Pogba, Varane, Gotze, Neymar, Koke are the best.

    Walcott was better at Sterlings age and he hasnt and wont reach the height of the Neymars and Gotzes of the world.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Lol. Thats one of the dumbest things ive ever seen on here. Sterling isnt even a teenager any more and if you are talking only of players who are the same age or younger then Memphis Depay is probably the best in Europe. I wouldnt even say Sterling is near the top of the list either.

    If you extend the category just a little bit then Pogba, Varane, Gotze, Neymar, Koke are the best.

    Walcott was better at Sterlings age and he hasnt and wont reach the height of the Neymars and Gotzes of the world.
    So your argument basically hinges on the fact that James was out by 4 days?
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    (Original post by Fideo)
    Roma are favourites
    Liverpool 10/1

    Roma 12/1

    Not to say Liverpool won't get anywhere near it the way they're playing.

    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    The standard of the EL isnt ****. You had a relatively easy CL group and were lucky to win any games at all. I wouldnt be surprised if you went out straight away.
    Yes it is. There's very few quality sides this time. Liverpool favourites ffs

    I think everyone agrees on current form there's not much hope for Liverpool
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    (Original post by Gob Bluth)
    Liverpool 10/1

    Roma 12/1

    Not to say Liverpool won't get anywhere near it the way they're playing.


    Yes it is. There's very few quality sides this time. Liverpool favourites ffs

    I think everyone agrees on current form there's not much hope for Liverpool
    There are other decents sides tbh and now that winner gets CL, teams will start taking it seriously and put out stronger sides.

    Liverpool have until February to sort their **** out, Sturridge coming back will certainly be a boost provided he doesn't get injured again. Rodgers needs to get his head together too and start getting his starting line ups and subs right.
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    Sterling hasn't rejected the contract lmao....
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    (Original post by jshep000)
    Sterling hasn't rejected the contract lmao....
    Come back to this thread after ages and people are taking IndyKaila as a source :facepalm2:
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    (Original post by kuks)
    Come back to this thread after ages and people are taking IndyKaila as a source :facepalm2:
    We'll see when sterling signs a contract with us then won't we
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    Lol IndyKaila is just a bloke in Leicester who spends far too much time on the internet.
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    IndyKaila is about as bad as it gets. Just above Tribalfootball or something.

    I wonder if at some point Rodgers will throw in the towel and just focus on the EL. If you're off the pace towards the tail end of the season, with the teams in it, I wouldn't be surprised. CL qualification and silverware, might save his job.
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    Lol at Sterling being the best teenager on the continent and then proceed to make 1000 excuses about why he doesn't play like it.


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