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The poison would kill him because it was going to stop both his hearts at the same time - preventing him from regenerating. Flesh can't operate without someone controlling them, the only reason the ones in those episodes came to control was because of the storm wasn't it?

Plus if they WERE travelling with a Ganger Doctor, he would've known what the flesh was as soon as he encountered it. As well as the Doctor being younger than his dead counterpart, and being surprised by his death date. If the Doctor made a flesh copy of himself, surely he would tell himself the plan so he'd know to lie to Amy and Rory about his age? After all "Who does the Doctor trust more than anyone else in the universe?"

I'm pretty sure this Doctor they're travelling with is just a younger one.
But didn't the Flesh go all dodgy and evil when it knew it was flesh? Like that woman who turned into various monsters?
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Why did the TARDIS explode? That's what I want to know D: In addition to all the obvious things as well of course
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Can anyone work out exactly what the children are singing in the prequel to next week's episode?
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(Original post by Man-in-the-Moon)
Can anyone work out exactly what the children are singing in the prequel to next week's episode?
Doctor brave and good, he turned away from violence when he understood the falling/fooling of the silence.
I can't work out whether they're singing falling or fooling... it would make more sense as falling (silence will fall when the question is asked and all that) but you know what Moffat's like!
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It's the nursery rhyme created for "Night Terrors" and it's just about River killing the Doctor.
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(Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
The poison would kill him because it was going to stop both his hearts at the same time - preventing him from regenerating. Flesh can't operate without someone controlling them, the only reason the ones in those episodes came to control was because of the storm wasn't it?

Plus if they WERE travelling with a Ganger Doctor, he would've known what the flesh was as soon as he encountered it. As well as the Doctor being younger than his dead counterpart, and being surprised by his death date. If the Doctor made a flesh copy of himself, surely he would tell himself the plan so he'd know to lie to Amy and Rory about his age? After all "Who does the Doctor trust more than anyone else in the universe?"

I'm pretty sure this Doctor they're travelling with is just a younger one.
A ganger doctor was created in the episode with the gangers. It was suggested that when he was left behind he was dead, however we did not see his death so it is entirely possible he still exists.
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(Original post by fwed1)
A ganger doctor was created in the episode with the gangers. It was suggested that when he was left behind he was dead, however we did not see his death so it is entirely possible he still exists.
I'm not disputing the fact that a ganger doctor was created (we conflict in the fact that I think he IS dead, but that's irrelevant) but the point being made in the post I replied to is that the Doctor travelled with them since episode 1 is a ganger Doctor, who wouldn't be created until episode 5. For the younger Doctor in episode 1 to be the ganger Doctor in episode 5 a paradox would have to be able to exist - and we know paradoxes aren't allowed in Doctor Who

(The paradox being that the ganger Doctor would be around because he created himself.)
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(Original post by Hype en Ecosse)
I'm not disputing the fact that a ganger doctor was created (we conflict in the fact that I think he IS dead, but that's irrelevant) but the point being made in the post I replied to is that the Doctor travelled with them since episode 1 is a ganger Doctor, who wouldn't be created until episode 5. For the younger Doctor in episode 1 to be the ganger Doctor in episode 5 a paradox would have to be able to exist - and we know paradoxes aren't allowed in Doctor Who

(The paradox being that the ganger Doctor would be around because he created himself.)
Why would the doctor in ep 1 need to be a ganger? I think it was the original doctor up until episode 5 and since then they have been switching until finally the ganger dies.
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Why is it so bloody hard to find The Eleventh Hour online? I just want to watch it! I don't mind if it's in 10 parts on Youtube if I could just FIND 10 COHESIVE PARTS BUT NO ALL I'M FINDING ARE MISMATCHED CLIPS AND RETARDED PARODIES :rant:

I've actually never watched the episode before :sad:
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It annoys me that Moffat think it's better to produce FOUR pointless filler episodes back-to-back and rush to resolve everything he's laid down over a two series arc in a single episode than actually pace things properly and have a proper, arc-relevant penultimate episode and a proper two-part finale.
Would anybody have missed NT, TGWW, TGC OR CT if they'd been replaced by genuine quality episodes that mentioned River/The TARDIS explosion/The Doctor's Death/The Silence/Kovarian etc?

Hell, an entire episode devoted to tracing the origins and history of the Silence, perhaps from a young Kovarian's POV would've been fantastic.

But instead we get James bloody Corden.
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(Original post by The Anti-Hero)
It annoys me that Moffat think it's better to produce FOUR pointless filler episodes back-to-back and rush to resolve everything he's laid down over a two series arc in a single episode than actually pace things properly and have a proper, arc-relevant penultimate episode and a proper two-part finale.
Would anybody have missed NT, TGWW, TGC OR CT if they'd been replaced by genuine quality episodes that mentioned River/The TARDIS explosion/The Doctor's Death/The Silence/Kovarian etc?

Hell, an entire episode devoted to tracing the origins and history of the Silence, perhaps from a young Kovarian's POV would've been fantastic.

But instead we get James bloody Corden.
I'm not being funny, but I'm actually starting to see more and more posts this series (around the internet) complaining about Moffat. Seems this series isn't as popular as expected.

I agree with you by the way.
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I started watching doctor who last series and I think Stephen Moffat's alright. I suppose it all depends what style of writing you are used to.
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(Original post by Pandora.)
I'm not being funny, but I'm actually starting to see more and more posts this series (around the internet) complaining about Moffat. Seems this series isn't as popular as expected.

I agree with you by the way.
I was so happy when he took over.
I still think he's 100x better than RTD and I think I like his vision for Doctor Who better, but I just strongly dislike filler and "Monster of the Week" style storylines, especially when there's SO MUCH LEFT TO RESOLVE IN JUST ONE EPISODE.

Miracle Day had the same problem and it ended horribly because everything was rushed due to there being 3 or 4 episodes where absolutely nothing of interest or worth happened.

Maybe my expectations are high, I suppose DW is a family show and we shouldn't expect intricate plots all the while but still...
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PLEASE don't let the solution to everything be 'love' or the equally cop-outish 'time can be rewritten'. ANYTHING but that.
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(Original post by The Anti-Hero)
I was so happy when he took over.
I still think he's 100x better than RTD and I think I like his vision for Doctor Who better, but I just strongly dislike filler and "Monster of the Week" style storylines, especially when there's SO MUCH LEFT TO RESOLVE IN JUST ONE EPISODE.

Miracle Day had the same problem and it ended horribly because everything was rushed due to their being 3 or 4 episodes where absolutely nothing of interest or worth happened.

Maybe my expectations are high, I suppose DW is a family show and we shouldn't expect intricate plots all the while but still...
What makes you think he intends to resolve all of it in the next episode? The silence falling and the TARDIS exploding are plotlines from last series which Moffat hasn't yet explained, so some of the plotlines could be left until next year.
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What makes you think he intends to resolve all of it in the next episode? The silence falling and the TARDIS exploding are plotlines from last series which Moffat hasn't yet explained, so some of the plotlines could be left until next year.
Pretty sure Moffat said all questions would be answered in the finale and that you would just have new questions come up.
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the two episodes in america that kicked off the two series' were Amazing
its been down hill ever since
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What makes you think he intends to resolve all of it in the next episode? The silence falling and the TARDIS exploding are plotlines from last series which Moffat hasn't yet explained, so some of the plotlines could be left until next year.
Partly because SM promised to answer all of our questions before the series closes and partly because this story really isn't strong enough to endure another series.

The River Song arc needs closure soon.
Very soon.
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Partly because SM promised to answer all of our questions before the series closes and partly because this story really isn't strong enough to endure another series.

The River Song arc needs closure soon.
Very soon.
Sadly I still doubt that it will.

She fills the book with her adventures with the Doctor. I reckon she'll be the full time companion at some point. Possibly the next series.
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Sadly I still doubt that it will.

She fills the book with her adventures with the Doctor. I reckon she'll be the full time companion at some point. Possibly the next series.
I really dislike River Song.
It's not so much the character concept; I find that thoroughly interesting.

But Alex Kingston's portrayal of her frustrates me no end. I struggle to watch any scene that she's in without cringing. She's not sexy, she's not funny, she's just...
Argh.
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