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    (Original post by Mackay)
    The problem with Bony is that he just doesn't do it away from home.

    Aside from his goal at Upton Park last weekend, the man has only had two shots on target away from the Liberty all season.
    That's probably down to his team/system, rather than anything to do with his game.
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    Like I say, I like Bony a lot. I always have. He's someone that guarantees you 15 league goals a season, and a player like that is worth his weight in gold. If you look at someone like Rooney, in only 2 of his 10 seasons at United, has he got more than 17 goals for the season - so Bony's goalscoring record is outstanding and he'd be an excellent player for any team in the league. Bony is powerful, a great finisher from the edge of the box and a genuine goalscorer. Like I say, my main issue with him is just that he is still predominantly a target man, and bringing him in would mean that would just mean that we're better at a style of play that limits the rest of our team. He'd do Ricky's job much better than Ricky does it, but in an ideal world we want someone to be playing like Sturridge up front, not like Ricky. We already have (in Ricky and Balo) two Lambert style players. I wouldn't be opposed to Bony at all and the more I think about it, the more I want him, but there's still doubts over how he'd fit in.

    Lacazette is just a name I'm throwing out because we were vaguely linked in the summer, he's done well this season, and he seems to have transitioned from youth prodigy (he won France a youth world cup iirc) to an accomplished senior pro. When I saw videos of him in the summer he seemed to fit us pretty well, he likes taking on his man, shooting from range, he's rapid and strong and he's scoring goals properly now, he's like Sturridge without the finesse.

    I think the risk of 'unproven in the league' is overrated - in general imo if the player was genuinely good enough in the first place then he'll work here. Imports like Kagawa flopped because they were misused/underused, players like Gaston Ramirez were never good enough in the first place, and even someone like Forlan, long been painted as the classic 'couldn't adjust to the PL' flop was simply not given enough games and was mistreated. I think in general if the player is good enough and given time, they'll work out. Lacazette has the frame and the style of play to succeed. There will be a Veron here and there but I don't think it's a big enough risk to not buy a player from abroad if they're more suited to your style of play and you can live with an adjustment period - because it's not as if players from smaller teams in the PL haven't struggled when moving to big clubs.

    I don't think Bafa is much better than Lambert, and I think Lambert has been over-used and is now underperforming due to fatigue.

    As I said above, Bony pretty much guarantees you 15 or more goals a season. That's outstanding and few players do that really. Dzeko and Lukaku are of the same calibre and they both moved for £30m. Bony is a snip at £20m.
    Bafa is younger though, and was available on a free. I'd agree Lambert i underperforming to fatigue at the moment, though I'd personally rate Gomis higher than Lambert from what I have seen of both. Both are different anyway, Gomis is more explosive, whilst Lambert more technical.

    I still have my doubts on Bony. I've seen him play in different systems, and when he plays with someone else up front (Bafa and also with Michu). He's better than Balotelli, Lambert, Gomis, Borini comfortably though. And for around £20m isn't too bad I guess if there isn't many other options available. I'd rather him at Swansea though, as him and Sigurdsson are lovely together.

    I've never seen Lacazette play, but heard quite a lot about him. What type of player is he?
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    Ain't watched Lacazette but hear he's just your pace merchant but has a bit more to his game. Dunno if you're better off going for Berahino?
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    That's probably down to his team/system, rather than anything to do with his game.
    Well our team is currently no better than Swansea's, so I doubt he'd be our solution.
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    (Original post by Gob Bluth)
    Bafa is younger though, and was available on a free. I'd agree Lambert i underperforming to fatigue at the moment, though I'd personally rate Gomis higher than Lambert from what I have seen of both. Both are different anyway, Gomis is more explosive, whilst Lambert more technical.

    I still have my doubts on Bony. I've seen him play in different systems, and when he plays with someone else up front (Bafa and also with Michu). He's better than Balotelli, Lambert, Gomis, Borini comfortably though. And for around £20m isn't too bad I guess if there isn't many other options available. I'd rather him at Swansea though, as him and Sigurdsson are lovely together.

    I've never seen Lacazette play, but heard quite a lot about him. What type of player is he?
    Lambert did very well last year. Might just have been a lucky season but he was playing with confidence and was excellent for Soton. Gomis is a good player and I was impressed that Swansea did get him, he's long been linked to bigger clubs.

    How is he, with a strike partner? From what I've seen he looks best as a lone forward, but then again he played as a number 10 in Holland and I don't watch you guys week in week out.

    He's somewhat strong, all round fairly talented, very quick, likes taking his man on and is a good shooter from range. Sturridge-lite. Just a name I've thrown out, I can't claim to know loads about him. Not sure if we do have any French football experts on here.
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    (Original post by Mackay)
    Well our team is currently no better than Swansea's, so I doubt he'd be our solution.
    Our 10 behind the striker are much better than Swansea's 10 behind the striker. If we had Bony this season instead of Balo we'd have been much, much better off. He's a goalscorer of a level that Balotelli just can't claim to be.
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    Let's not forget that Origi will come into the fold in the summer.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Liverpool news conference

    Posted at 14:43

    Brendan Rodgers also confirms reports that midfielder Adam Lallana broke some of his ribs in the 3-1 win over Leicester on 2 December, but says the former Southampton playmaker is available to face Manchester United.

    Guess that's why he didn't play against Basel?
    You'd suspect he'll be on the bench again on Sunday if that were the case? We had a similar situation with Herrera, played him for 45 minutes against WBA with a brace fitted and he clearly wasn't fit. However we put him on the bench for a few games due to our injury situation.

    On a related note, you guys will be pleased to know Di Maria has been ruled out for this weekend. Jones and Rafael are back in the squad however, so i'd expect Van Gaal will go with this team:

    Dave
    Rafael Evans Rojo Young
    Herrera Carrick Fellaini
    Mata
    Rooney Van Persie
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    Well, I disagree. I think his actual ability merits 100k, easily (Navas is on 80, Willian is on 70, Herrera was signed this year on 80). I think what doesn't merit him getting 100k is his relative youth/lack of seniority - but that's made up by him being the team's star creative player.

    It's a really steep rise up from your standard 70 and 80ks in each team (your Oscars and Milners and Navas's and Willians) upto your big boys on 175k+ (Toure, Aguero, Fabregas, Hazard). Sterling slots in somewhere around 100k for me (Silva and Nasri are 140k roughly).
    Oscar, Milner and Willian are all better than Sterling though. Oscar and Willian are also reasonably young too. Plus below the Top 6 teams in terms of wage spend there are a number who are better players who are on far less than £100k.
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    (Original post by sr90)
    You'd suspect he'll be on the bench again on Sunday if that were the case? We had a similar situation with Herrera, played him for 45 minutes against WBA with a brace fitted and he clearly wasn't fit. However we put him on the bench for a few games due to our injury situation.

    On a related note, you guys will be pleased to know Di Maria has been ruled out for this weekend. Jones and Rafael are back in the squad however, so i'd expect Van Gaal will go with this team:

    Dave
    Rafael Evans Rojo Young
    Herrera Carrick Fellaini
    Mata
    Rooney Van Persie
    Yea it would make sense for him to be on the bench. Fellani will just mow him down so is it worth the risk?

    Actually delighted that ADM is not going to play. I think he's the one who would actually hurt us the most.

    Shame we don't have many fit CBs otherwise a back 3 might have been good against such a narrow attack. Not that much pace for you up front.

    I'd like to see us play:


    Lambert
    Coutinho Henderson Sterling
    Can Gerrard
    Moreno Toure Skrtel Johnson
    Mignolet

    But I can't see that happening. Probably will be Allen in there and Gerrard will end up playing as AM instead.
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    Our 10 behind the striker are much better than Swansea's 10 behind the striker.
    Lol nah.
    Sigurdsson, Montero, Dyer, Ki, Williams are all easily good enough to get into your starting line-up imo.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Oscar, Milner and Willian are all better than Sterling though. Oscar and Willian are also reasonably young too. Plus below the Top 6 teams in terms of wage spend there are a number who are better players who are on far less than £100k.
    This next contract isn't just about paying what he's worth now but also to cover what potential he may have in 2-3 years. I imagine he will sign a 5 or 6 year deal (considering he still has 2.5 years left at the moment).

    There may or may not be better players but comparing age and potential, which is better? For example, Downing may or may not be better than Sterling at the moment but you can see why you'd give Sterling a big contract now compared to Downing.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Yea it would make sense for him to be on the bench. Fellani will just mow him down so is it worth the risk?

    Actually delighted that ADM is not going to play. I think he's the one who would actually hurt us the most.

    Shame we don't have many fit CBs otherwise a back 3 might have been good against such a narrow attack. Not that much pace for you up front.

    I'd like to see us play:


    Lambert
    Coutinho Henderson Sterling
    Can Gerrard
    Moreno Toure Skrtel Johnson
    Mignolet

    But I can't see that happening. Probably will be Allen in there and Gerrard will end up playing as AM instead.
    Was rather looking forward to seeing Di Maria running at your defence! His absence really shows how much we need another winger. Can hardly blame Van Gaal for being cautious though, we'll need him over the Christmas period. Some people seem to think Falcao will start, with Rooney taking Mata's place, but that would be even worse

    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Lol nah.
    Sigurdsson, Montero, Dyer, Ki, Williams are all easily good enough to get into your starting line-up imo.
    Wouldn't say Dyer is better than anything Liverpool have in that position. Fabianski > Mignolet though.
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    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Oscar, Milner and Willian are all better than Sterling though. Oscar and Willian are also reasonably young too. Plus below the Top 6 teams in terms of wage spend there are a number who are better players who are on far less than £100k.
    Current form only. Put Sterling in their teams and he'd be merking it

    (Original post by The_Mighty_Bush)
    Lol nah.
    Sigurdsson, Montero, Dyer, Ki, Williams are all easily good enough to get into your starting line-up imo.
    Montero I like, I'll have him. Dyer never. Ki is a maybe, probably take Ki over Allen. Siggurdsson is competing with Raheem really, so nothing doing there.
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    (Original post by sr90)
    Was rather looking forward to seeing Di Maria running at your defence! His absence really shows how much we need another winger. Can hardly blame Van Gaal for being cautious though, we'll need him over the Christmas period. Some people seem to think Falcao will start, with Rooney taking Mata's place, but that would be even worse

    Wouldn't say Dyer is better than anything Liverpool have in that position. Fabianski > Mignolet though.
    Yea I think he's the main player I would've worried about. Saying that, RVP always scores against us. Really if we can pin you guys back (considering your front 3 don't have that much pace).

    Not sure what to expect from this game. Man Utd have been getting the results but not quite the performances. Liverpool have had neither the results or the performances. Form kinda goes out the window for these games and usually there's either a hero (scoring a brace/hattrick) or a zero (getting sent off).
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    (Original post by JamesR12)
    Current form only. Put Sterling in their teams and he'd be merking it
    This is pretty deluded imo. All 3 of those players are more well rounded players, have better or equivalent technique and a wider passing range than Sterling. The only thing Sterling has over them is raw pace and it isnt as if Oscar and Willian are slow. Milners work ethic and teamwork make him an underrated player imo and he would be one of the first names on the England team sheet for me.



    (Original post by JamesR12)
    Montero I like, I'll have him. Dyer never. Ki is a maybe, probably take Ki over Allen. Siggurdsson is competing with Raheem really, so nothing doing there.
    Ki is suprerior to Allen in that his possession game is solid, has better technique, is a better tackler and he can actually play a forward pass. Liverpool are crying out for a creative, goalscorer like Sigurdsson imo. Lallana could be that player though.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    Let's not forget that Origi will come into the fold in the summer.
    Highly doubt Origi will have an instant impact.

    He hasn't scored a goal in nearly 1000mins of action so it's not like he's going to be a solution. This was just Liverpool dun goofing again.
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    (Original post by jam277)
    Highly doubt Origi will have an instant impact.

    He hasn't scored a goal in nearly 1000mins of action so it's not like he's going to be a solution. This was just Liverpool dun goofing again.
    True he's not scored much this season so I guess he'd just replace the non-existent Borini in the squad.
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    (Original post by Zerforax)
    True he's not scored much this season so I guess he'd just replace the non-existent Borini in the squad.
    Possibly but it's all about the team you're with.

    As somebody said above, put sterling in a top team and he'd be killing it.

    Get Origi the chances and why can't he score like he does for his country?
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    (Original post by Lúcio)
    Possibly but it's all about the team you're with.

    As somebody said above, put sterling in a top team and he'd be killing it.

    Get Origi the chances and why can't he score like he does for his country?
    He's got 3 goals in 12 matches for Belgium so I dunno where you've built this image of his profligacy up from.


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