TSR Med Students' Society Part VI

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    (Original post by Maxxie)
    Well the Foundation Programme application and how to rank these 21 deaneries is going to dominate my life for the next two weeks :eek3:



    I'm calling dibs on the potential study that follows this, tentatively titled "The four year haemorrhage'.
    I started on the ranking. And got bored very quickly. So bored I actually went back to revising.

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    Rumours that hunt is going to try to introduce 4 years conscription for med students post-graduation...
    that will be interesting hmm.
    my country does 2 years fy and 2 years compulsory government service.
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    (Original post by Newtothis83)
    I started on the ranking. And got bored very quickly. So bored I actually went back to revising.

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    I lost East Anglia, and had to contact the Oriel people to get it back lol.
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    (Original post by Newtothis83)
    With free tuition and expenses paid for to reflect this commitment.
    /sarcasm

    Where are the rumours coming from?
    A few independent people have posted the supposed frontpage from the Independent for tomorrow morning which says it. Medics to be fined if they work abroad inside the first 4 years.

    If its true I would a) strongly advocate striking again, and striking hard - this would mess up doctor's training so much and b) tell everyone and anyone I can to not study medicine. Four years where you are being essentially obliged to work for the NHS, no matter the conditions they place upon you, is absolutely absolutely unacceptable.
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    (Original post by Jckc123)
    that will be interesting hmm.
    my country does 2 years fy and 2 years compulsory government service.
    Which country is that?
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    A few independent people have posted the supposed frontpage from the Independent for tomorrow morning which says it. Medics to be fined if they work abroad inside the first 4 years.

    If its true I would a) strongly advocate striking again, and striking hard - this would mess up doctor's training so much and b) tell everyone and anyone I can to not study medicine. Four years where you are being essentially obliged to work for the NHS, no matter the conditions they place upon you, is absolutely absolutely unacceptable.
    Would it be enforceable though? You couldn't just suddenly declare that thousands of people can't go and work abroad or work elsewhere. Fair enough if you sign up that way, but they can't just do it part way through. Especially as we haven't received a free education or wage in exchange.
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    And I would be tempted to save up the fine and just say **** you I can go where I want.
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    (Original post by ForestCat)
    Would it be enforceable though? You couldn't just suddenly declare that thousands of people can't go and work abroad or work elsewhere. Fair enough if you sign up that way, but they can't just do it part way through. Especially as we haven't received a free education or wage in exchange.
    Well call me naive, but surely surely it will be for people who haven't applied to med school yet. Not that that's any better really.

    Surely.
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    (Original post by ForestCat)
    And I would be tempted to save up the fine and just say **** you I can go where I want.
    Indeed!

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    Well call me naive, but surely surely it will be for people who haven't applied to med school yet. Not that that's any better really.

    Surely.
    Studying medicine is a career that does and should be able to take you most places if you want to. For him to put restrictions on that can not be justified. Most medics stay in the UK, and I would imagine would continue to do so. But being made to feel like it is out of obligation rather than choice won't do much for morale.

    I'm not sure you'd be able to convince those that were staying anyway to strike to help the few keen on leaving...

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    (Original post by nexttime)
    Well call me naive, but surely surely it will be for people who haven't applied to med school yet. Not that that's any better really.

    Surely.
    That sad thing is, there are enough keen (dare I say naive) 17 or 18 year olds who would think that is ok and would sign up to it because they want to be Doctors and save the world.
    I think it would pretty much mean the end to grad courses. Except for those people who apply straight from undergrad. You certainly wouldn't get anyone over about 25 thinking that 4 years conscription sounds reasonable.
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    (Original post by Newtothis83)
    Indeed!



    Studying medicine is a career that does and should be able to take you most places if you want to. For him to put restrictions on that can not be justified. Most medics stay in the UK, and I would imagine would continue to do so. But being made to feel like it is out of obligation rather than choice won't do much for morale.

    I'm not sure you'd be able to convince those that were staying anyway to strike to help the few keen on leaving...

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    I don't know. Whilst people might not have plans to leave, being told you cannot leave tends to rub people the wrong way. The great thing about medicine is it gives you a lot of options and choice about where you want to work in the world. People won't want to lose that option (I know that its not permanent but I know that fy3 or early breaks in training are getting more and more popular).
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    A few independent people have posted the supposed frontpage from the Independent for tomorrow morning which says it. Medics to be fined if they work abroad inside the first 4 years.

    If its true I would a) strongly advocate striking again, and striking hard - this would mess up doctor's training so much and b) tell everyone and anyone I can to not study medicine. Four years where you are being essentially obliged to work for the NHS, no matter the conditions they place upon you, is absolutely absolutely unacceptable.
    Unlikely to be enforceable though, surely? Unless this a strange way of wording "GMC to charge stupidly excessive amount for Cert of Good Standing required for overseas work"... Given how Massey is in Hunt's pocket anyway, I wouldn't be too surprised if that's the way they play it.*
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    And at the same time apparently they're announcing an extra 1500 medical school places? :eyeball: This comes a day after JH's Mail on Sunday interview about wanting to replace EU trained doctors with "homegrown talent"...sounds like he wants to create a legion of overworked wage slave doctors without EU passports and no way out...
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    (Original post by nexttime)
    Rumours that hunt is going to try to introduce 4 years conscription for med students post-graduation...
    Shock horror, trade union concessions lead to stronger government action. Gee

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    (Original post by ForestCat)
    Would it be enforceable though? You couldn't just suddenly declare that thousands of people can't go and work abroad or work elsewhere. Fair enough if you sign up that way, but they can't just do it part way through. Especially as we haven't received a free education or wage in exchange.
    Judging from the last court cases....

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    Dissertation work started and I already have enough...why would anyone chose to intercalate!? (at UoN we have to do another degree)
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    Any former Imperial ibsc'ers that did Management that I could talk to here!?
    #13

    The free market has failed Hunt on doctor supply vs demand, so now he's on about nationalising doctors themselves. Who'd have expected that from a Tory?
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    (Original post by Maxxie)
    I lost East Anglia, and had to contact the Oriel people to get it back lol.
    how did you contact them? Realised a mistake on mine but already submitted the application so couldn't change it!*
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    I'm actually not against a limited period of mandatory working for the NHS since training is still heavily subsidised but I think 4 years is too much and puts you 2 years into a training programme. It should be 2 years at most.
    Can see many choosing to study medicine outside of the UK as a result of this though.

    1500 extra places at med school is great, what a shame is a decade too late...
 
 
 
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