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    (Original post by Adorno)
    There's plenty of houses. They're just aimed at the richer ends of the market which is totally impractical for the people in the market who actually need houses. There's a massive lack of social housing too ... why? Oh yes, cos Thatcher sold off council housing.

    Easy way to solve the housing crisis? End the concentration of stuff in London and the Home Counties.
    Oh no I agree, the latest houses to be built around my area are quite clearly aimed at the middle classes. Now, I'm not personally complaining because I'd want one of them. And there are a lot of those kinds of people around here. But there's also many who will never be able to afford the places in the area and it maddens me.
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    Does the TSR Liberal Democrats share the same views of Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrat Party in cutting spending on expensive election pledges?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8268573.stm
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    (Original post by abucha3)
    Does the TSR Liberal Democrats share the same views of Nick Clegg and the Liberal Democrat Party in cutting spending on expensive election pledges?

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8268573.stm
    Well, firstly I should point out that we've not made those specific spending pledges anyway.

    That aside, personally I'm split in my view. Take the decision on education spending. On the one hand, education is investment spending in that if you spend it wisely and it works, you'll reap the rewards in a decade or two. Therefore it's wise to keep spending on it, especially in a recession when more people are going to University, more people are jobless and trying for new qualifications etc. But on the other, there's the question of whether we can pay for it. I echo one RL Lib Dem here:

    We must not make any firm commitment to the British people for the next Parliament unless we are certain it can be paid for.
    -Danny Alexander MP.

    Now, clearly on TSR it's different, we don't actually have a Treasury so if we wanted we could blow a trillion pounds on a mission to harvest Mooncheese, wouldn't matter. The Lib Dems helped with Drogue's (expensive) education bill. In general, we believe investment in environmental energy sectors is important even in recession. We want to provide for the vulnerable in society e.g. the elderly. There's a lot of places we would like to spend money on. But the problem in RL is that the money is real, so you do have to make 'tough choices', to borrow a phrase. In RL, Clegg must be careful not to be seen to abandon those he has previously claimed he is the leader for. He must not abandon the elderly who need assistance. He must not abandon his recently praised environmental credentials. He should not make any firm decisions until he is certain the economy is going to go his way.

    Summing up my personal opinion, I think Clegg may be going too far. And I don't think the whole party will be behind him on it. He's right to be looking at ways to be sensible, but while he shouldn't make expensive spending promises he also shouldn't make 'savage' cut promises. A week is a long time in politics, to borrow another phrase. I wonder if this will backfire on him.
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    I extol Lib Dem MP Evan Harris who has stood up against the fascist suggestion that teachers affiliated with certain political groups should be banned from teaching.

    He said: "Although well-intentioned, this misplaced, illiberal, and fundamentally counterproductive proposal will create martyrs out of the BNP, and yet capture some teachers who have never mentioned politics at work. It will add nothing to the existing prohibition on workplace discrimination and harassment in schools, or to professional codes of practice.”
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    (Original post by Anony mouse)
    I extol Lib Dem MP Evan Harris who has stood up against the fascist suggestion that teachers affiliated with certain political groups should be banned from teaching.

    He said: "Although well-intentioned, this misplaced, illiberal, and fundamentally counterproductive proposal will create martyrs out of the BNP, and yet capture some teachers who have never mentioned politics at work. It will add nothing to the existing prohibition on workplace discrimination and harassment in schools, or to professional codes of practice.”
    Totally agree on this, where political opinions don't influence teaching, what is the point on banning these people from teaching? Unless a teacher is proven to have done something wrong, by teaching poorly because of their opinions, either being narrow minded, only teaching one side of things, or tries to influence childrens beliefs with that point of view, then its treating them as guilty without them having done anything wrong.
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    :ditto: Thirded!
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    (Original post by Anony mouse)
    I extol Lib Dem MP Evan Harris who has stood up against the fascist suggestion that teachers affiliated with certain political groups should be banned from teaching.

    He said: "Although well-intentioned, this misplaced, illiberal, and fundamentally counterproductive proposal will create martyrs out of the BNP, and yet capture some teachers who have never mentioned politics at work. It will add nothing to the existing prohibition on workplace discrimination and harassment in schools, or to professional codes of practice.”
    I have to support Evan. As long as the teacher doesn't do anything that could seriously affect someone's opinion, its fine.
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    I'd like to inform the House that I will be away for 8 days from tomorrow. Hols time!
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    I despair when only around 40% of the electorate vote in the elections and out of those that do vote, most insist on voting for the same two parties - Nu Labour or Blue Labour.

    Surely the Lib Dems should be doing better than this? As Lib Dem blogger Mark Reckons points out, "The number of seats we get might of course be a bit down depending on regional variations. If all this does pan out like this then the biggest question I think my party will have to answer is how the hell did we allow the best opportunity for electoral advance in a political generation to slip through our fingers?"

    I do have my reservations about some of the socialist leaning tendencies of the party and it still remains to be seen what change the Lib Dems really could bring to British politics. Alas, I am disappointed to sense that perhaps that time will never come.

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    We're waiting Anony mouse.
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    (Original post by Afcwimbledon2)
    We're waiting Anony mouse.
    Not the place.
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    From the Independent: The far-right Dutch MP Geert Wilders today won his appeal against the Government’s decision to ban him from entering Britain. The politician, who has been accused of Islamophobia, was told at the start of this year by the then Home Secretary Jacqui Smith that he would be refused entry should he attempt to enter the UK. But today’s ruling by the Asylum and Immigration Tribunal means that Wilders could now be allowed into the country. He was due to show his short film Fitna, which criticises the Koran as a “fascist book”, at the House of Lords in February. But Ms Smith said his presence had the potential to “threaten community harmony and therefore public safety”.

    Would you agree with me that in today's media (especially internet) age, trying to stop people expressing their view with court actions only makes those trying to stop them talking seem like idiots? Would you also agree that this is a good thing?
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    (Original post by Käse)
    Would you agree with me that in today's media (especially internet) age, trying to stop people expressing their view with court actions only makes those trying to stop them talking seem like idiots? Would you also agree that this is a good thing?
    I wouldn't say it makes them look like idiots and can't really see why it would. Whether it's right is more difficult; certainly this guy is an Islamophobe ass but that doesn't mean he's not entitled to express his views. I think it had be done under the framework of the law but it probably shouldn't have been that that was the case.
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    Will the Lib Dem's be looking towards a more center leaning coalition next term?
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    (Original post by History-Boy)
    Will the Lib Dem's be looking towards a more center leaning coalition next term?
    The Liberal Democrats are about as central as the TSR Central Party. Neither know whether they are coming or going.
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    (Original post by History-Boy)
    Will the Lib Dem's be looking towards a more center leaning coalition next term?
    We believe it is too early to seriously think about coalitions at this time. We haven't seen manifestos, we haven't finished our own manifesto, we don't know seat numbers etc. There's too many variables to accurately predict anything at this time. Broadly, we'd be happy with something similar this coalition or something slightly more central. However, we'd also be happy not to form a coalition. It really is a fairly foolish endeavour to try to predict coalitions at this point.
    (Original post by abucha3)
    The Liberal Democrats are about as central as the TSR Central Party. Neither know whether they are coming or going.
    Considering your generally lacking political awareness, would you mind explaining why you think this? And why being in the political centre counts as not knowing whether we are "coming or going"?

    Also, it's "Centre Party"
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Considering your generally lacking political awareness, would you mind explaining why you think this? And why being in the political centre counts as not knowing whether we are "coming or going"?

    Also, it's "Centre Party"
    You are in no position to inaccurately claim that I am lacking political awareness or not. Every party veers to either left wing or right. For instance, the Conservatives (Right), Labour (Left), PCP (Right), Socialists (Left). Yes, Labour and Conservative are central left and right but still are associated with a specific wing.

    The Liberal Democrats and the TSR Centre Party are the only party that doesn't seem to either be left wing or right wing. They don't if they are coming or going.

    The one word I could use to describe the Liberal Democrats, "dishwater".
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    (Original post by abucha3)
    You are in no position to inaccurately claim that I am lacking political awareness or not.
    All prior evidence, as well as this post, point towards me being correct in my assumption. Prove me wrong.
    Every party veers to either left wing or right. For instance, the Conservatives (Right), Labour (Left), PCP (Right), Socialists (Left). Yes, Labour and Conservative are central left and right but still are associated with a specific wing.
    "Every party veers to either..."

    Really? What proof do you have of this? Can you provide evidence that no party in history has ever stayed in the political centre for a significant length of time? I can find evidence to the contrary.
    The Liberal Democrats and the TSR Centre Party are the only party that doesn't seem to either be left wing or right wing. They don't if they are coming or going.
    Again, why does being central mean we don't know whether we are coming or going?

    You seem to be unaware that elections in this country are almost always won by those who occupy the political centre.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Really? What proof do you have of this? Can you provide evidence that no party in history has ever stayed in the political centre for a significant length of time? I can find evidence to the contrary.Again, why does being central mean we don't know whether we are coming or going?

    You seem to be unaware that elections in this country are almost always won by those who occupy the political centre.
    I am talking the current political parties here in the United Kingdom today.

    You need to brush up on your political history then because the Liberal Democrats haven't been in power since David Lloyd George in 1922. Since then the people vote for either the Conservatives (Right) or Labour (Left). The really sounds as though central dishwater parties such as yourselves are winning, doesn't it?
 
 
 
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