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I just hope that the pound sterling isn't shared, not a fan of this weak form of independence, the last thing I want as a tax-payer is to be liable for Scottish banks.
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I'm retraining as a referee in Fife at the moment. Before the lesson started last night the talk was about the referendum and there wasn't a single Yes voter in the room (about 10-15), all these people being, except myself, local Fifers. Their main reasoning for it was how SNP politicians had been made to look stupid over the currency union with RUK, ridiculing the 'they're bluffing' answers of Sturgeon a few weeks ago.

I am frankly stunned that Yes support hasn't declined over this massive hole in their economic strategy which they offer no contingency for.


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I am frankly stunned by how all the NO people on this forum are always in rooms without a single YES voter - truly bizarre!

As for the economic strategy, that is where YES voters disagree, we don't view a massive hole. Simples really.
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Anyone can make bull**** promises and mock the people who disagree with these promises as pessimists.

Am glad No isn't embarrassing itself with propaganda like that video.
Ah YES but propaganda like that video works. Maybe the NO campaign will realise that positive is what people want to hear. Probably not!
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Quite frankly the Scots should have a significant say in the UK GE, but when they don't always get their way, and a region 10x larger mostly does, Scotland shouldn't moan, I hate to break it to the cyber-nats but without the UK, Scotland would have a tiny roe in world politics comparatively.
:lol: We are so glad how lucky we've been this whole time. Who cares how big a role Scotland will have in world politics?

Are you still couched with that British imperialistic mindset? Love the irony with the use of cyber nat by the way
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Sturgeon said she would immediately drop tuition fee discrimination if Westminster stopped charging. Almost as clear a case of spite as threatening not to pay any debt.


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No and even you know this, so why make it up I'm not sure.

If England don't charge, then less people will cross the border for what would be a free education. Hardly spite, common bloody sense!
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Ah YES but propaganda like that video works. Maybe the NO campaign will realise that positive is what people want to hear. Probably not!

Not a fan of John Barrowman :lol:?
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Quite frankly the Scots should have a significant say in the UK GE, but when they don't always get their way, and a region 10x larger mostly does, Scotland shouldn't moan, I hate to break it to the cyber-nats but without the UK, Scotland would have a tiny roe in world politics comparatively.
'I hate to break it to....'

The condescending argument of a ten year old!

Will Scotland have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council? of course not, and no cyber-nat on the planet (I hope) would argue anything of the sort.

We want and need simpler things, like not being dragged into illegal wars and having nuclear weapons on our doorsteps.
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Not a fan of John Barrowman :lol:?
This is a valid point too. The YES side usually get positive performances out of their propaganda. The NO side..... oh dear!
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'I hate to break it to....'

The condescending argument of a ten year old!

Will Scotland have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council? of course not, and no cyber-nat on the planet (I hope) would argue anything of the sort.

We want and need simpler things, like not being dragged into illegal wars and having nuclear weapons on our doorsteps.
Which illegal wars are you talking about?
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'I hate to break it to....'

The condescending argument of a ten year old!

Will Scotland have a permanent seat on the UN Security Council? of course not, and no cyber-nat on the planet (I hope) would argue anything of the sort.

We want and need simpler things, like not being dragged into illegal wars and having nuclear weapons on our doorsteps.
I find the way the UK holds onto this idea of "british imperialism" pathetic. Especially considering the amount of money spent on trying to prove to people we are still a "world power".
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Which illegal wars are you talking about?
Very good!
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Quite frankly the Scots should have a significant say in the UK GE, but when they don't always get their way, and a region 10x larger mostly does, Scotland shouldn't moan, I hate to break it to the cyber-nats but without the UK, Scotland would have a tiny roe in world politics comparatively.
Aye ok mate...so for arguments sake...if the UK voted to take all property in Scotland and transfer it to English residents...it would be ok because "the larger" bit voted for it so we shouldn't moan! Are you even listening to yourself.

I honestly don't give two jots about our world role. Who actually cares about being the "biggest and loudest" in world politics?. I want a Scotland that voluntarily gets rid of its nuclear weapons. KNown for that...and not how big our army is, is what I want Scotland to be known for.
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So Murray didn't actually break britain's record of not winning wimbledon in 70 years or so? And so now he doesn't play for gb?
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(Original post by VladThe1mpaler)
I find the way the UK holds onto this idea of "british imperialism" pathetic. Especially considering the amount of money spent on trying to prove to people we are still a "world power".
The UK is still a world power.

You may be trying to push this anti imperialistic rhetoric as it feeds your own warped opinion on the way of the world. But you seem to forget that Salmonds trying to feed off this. Why do you think he wants to keep the £ and stay in NATO.
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So Murray didn't actually break britain's record of not winning wimbledon in 70 years or so? And so now he doesn't play for gb?
Scotland will always be in Britain, britain is an island. The referendum is 18th september...it hasn't happened yet...so why wouldn't he play in team GB for "now"?....nobody is saying that. Seriously the rUK are a country mile behind in this debate. Catch up!
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Which illegal wars are you talking about?
Jesus...
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Aye ok mate...so for arguments sake...if the UK voted to take all property in Scotland and transfer it to English residents...it would be ok because "the larger" bit voted for it so we shouldn't moan! Are you even listening to yourself.

I honestly don't give two jots about our world role. Who actually cares about being the "biggest and loudest" in world politics?. I want a Scotland that voluntarily gets rid of its nuclear weapons. KNown for that...and not how big our army is, is what I want Scotland to be known for.
You do realise that most Scots don't give two hoots about trident?

Amazingly though the SNP is pushing the nato nuclear line, yet still wanting to be protected under NATOs nuclear umbrella.
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(Original post by 1tartanarmy)
Scotland will always be in Britain, britain is an island. The referendum is 18th september...it hasn't happened yet...so why wouldn't he play in team GB for "now"?....nobody is saying that. Seriously the rUK are a country mile behind in this debate. Catch up!
Oh sorry, I actually don't get this very well. Thanks for the correction.
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Jesus...
Which ones?
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You do realise that most Scots don't give two hoots about trident?

Amazingly though the SNP is pushing the nato nuclear line, yet still wanting to be protected under NATOs nuclear umbrella.
I don't think Scots would want to spend 100 billion pounds on replacing trident...I don't think Scots agree to dumping mkre waste in our waters.

SNP? Wrong again. The Yes campaign involves multiple parties...that include the greens and a branch of Labour amongst others.
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