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    (Original post by DesmondHarry)
    And around 70% of modern Israeli's are Europeans. Does that give them the right to displace people?
    What gives someone the right to displace people?

    (Original post by DesmondHarry)
    Why should Israel check all the imported goods, it's not like it doesn't do that anyway. Palestine doesn't have a military. Whilst Israel's "defence" force is one of the best equipped and funded in the world.
    Yeah I don't know where you've been when the tunnels were being built and Hamas were shooting rockets and killing Israeli soldiers once a month for the past 30 years but it wasn't on Earth.

    Israel should check all imported goods precisely for that reason. The only goods that should enter Palestine are capital and consumer goods. Not materiel.
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    (Original post by SotonianOne)
    What gives someone the right to displace people?



    Yeah I don't know where you've been when the tunnels were being built and Hamas were shooting rockets and killing Israeli soldiers once a month for the past 30 years but it wasn't on Earth.

    Israel should check all imported goods precisely for that reason. The only goods that should enter Palestine are capital and consumer goods. Not materiel.
    Collectively punishing the entire population of Gaza which has an average age of 17 for the actions of a few extremists is absurd.
    How about Israel forcibly displacing Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank where they don't have a right of appeal?
    If you think bombing Palestinian hospitals and schools in which little children are hiding for their lies is justifiable then there really is no hope.
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    (Original post by ExcitedPup)
    It's an odd sort of apartheid where all 1.1 million Arab Israelis have the vote, and where in surveys the majority of them prefer to remain living under an Israeli government than the Palestinian Authority.
    Considering the apartheid analogy is generally meant as about the occupied territories, especially the West Bank, rather than 'Israel proper', this is irrelevant.

    And it's an odd sort of apartheid where Nelson Mandela would have said, "I feel at home here". I think Nelson would have known apartheid when he sees it.
    I can't find any reference to such a quote. The closest thing I can find is him saying “Now I feel at home – my rabbi is here” in reaction to meeting the South African chief rabbi in Israel.

    Then again, if you want to talk people who 'would have known apartheid when they saw it', then you could also say Desmond Tutu, Kgalema Motlanthe or Ahmed Kathrada, to give just a few who have all used the apartheid analogy with regard to Palestine.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Collectively punishing the entire population of Gaza which has an average age of 17 for the actions of a few extremists is absurd.
    Wow, I never knew they are reproducing like rabbits. You've actually made me more anti-Palestine, it seems they are all young and indoctrinated & radicalized at a severely premature age.


    (Original post by Bornblue)
    How about Israel forcibly displacing Palestinians from their homes in the West Bank where they don't have a right of appeal?
    At no point have I supported that.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    If you think bombing Palestinian hospitals and schools in which little children are hiding for their lies is justifiable then there really is no hope.
    If you think leaving Palestinian hospitals and schools alone even though they are shooting and storing rockets is justifiable and Israel should simply take it then there really is no hope.
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    (Original post by SotonianOne)
    Wow, I never knew they are reproducing like rabbits. You've actually made me more anti-Palestine, it seems they are all young and indoctrinated & radicalized at a severely premature age.




    At no point have I supported that.



    If you think leaving Palestinian hospitals and schools alone even though they are shooting and storing rockets is justifiable and Israel should simply take it then there really is no hope.
    So you're anti Palestinian because it has a lot of young defencelss people?
    You think they should bomb schools and hospitals which have little children hiding in? Most of these schools were PROVEN not to have rockets in.

    Yet you support the murder of young children? Okay then.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So you're anti Palestinian because it has a lot of young defencelss people?
    I'm not anti-Palestinian, I am swaying to being anti-Palestinian, because they multiply at rates higher than Uganda which is unsustainable and I don't see why Israel should be responsible or be held accountable for this and any future diseases/famines/problems/riots as it seems a domestic cultural problem.

    But yes, I am becoming more anti-Palestinian thanks to this website as I am beginning to notice that the majority of anti-Israelis and pro-Palestinians tend to be whiny little liberals, not a movement I want to be associated with.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You think they should bomb schools and hospitals which have little children hiding in? Most of these schools were PROVEN not to have rockets in.
    3 schools were proven to contain rockets out of 7 bombed. No, I do not condone these and I believe shelling of schools and/or shelters should be prevented until the very last resorts, but the fact that 3 schools were found to contain weapons is enough to raise questions for me about the validity of the UN and the Gaza cause.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Yet you support the murder of young children? Okay then.
    Err .. no.
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    (Original post by SotonianOne)
    I'm not anti-Palestinian, I am swaying to being anti-Palestinian, because they multiply at rates higher than Uganda which is unsustainable and I don't see why Israel should be responsible or be held accountable for this and any future diseases/famines/problems/riots as it seems a domestic cultural problem.

    But yes, I am becoming more anti-Palestinian thanks to this website as I am beginning to notice that the majority of anti-Israelis and pro-Palestinians tend to be whiny little liberals, not a movement I want to be associated with.



    3 schools were proven to contain rockets out of 7 bombed. No, I do not condone these and I believe shelling of schools and/or shelters should be prevented until the very last resorts, but the fact that 3 schools were found to contain weapons is enough to raise questions for me about the validity of the UN and the Gaza cause.



    Err .. no.
    You do know rockets barely kill any civilians? Israel has an amazing Iron DOme defence system which gets pretty much everything. The only Israelis killed are soldiers who invade Gaza.
    Oh yes and liberals are awful aren't they? Damn liberals caring about human life rather than supporting the slaughtering of innocent civilians like you are.
    You literally just supported bombing schools and hospitals which had little children hiding in them. In other words you supported the murder of children.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    So you're anti Palestinian because it has a lot of young defencelss people?
    You think they should bomb schools and hospitals which have little children hiding in? Most of these schools were PROVEN not to have rockets in.

    Yet you support the murder of young children? Okay then.
    I suggest avoiding using conventional morality to reason with him. I've found several times that he lacks the compassion or empathy to care.
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    (Original post by Jacky Hearts)
    I suggest avoiding using conventional morality to reason with him. I've found several times that he lacks the compassion or empathy to care.
    He said there's no hope because I don't support bombing a hospital in which children were hiding for their lives.
    Deary me.

    So I don't support the mass killing of civilians and i'm the extremist?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You do know rockets barely kill any civilians? Israel has an amazing Iron DOme defence system which gets pretty much everything. The only Israelis killed are soldiers who invade Gaza.
    So? Each rocket costs around 100 000 dollars. The upkeep of Iron Dome's existence goes into the hundreds of millions. Why should Israel suffer economically as a result? Would you justify Hamas shelling Israel every single day just because of the Iron Dome? (if the answer is yes, dont bother replying)

    With 735 rockets hit down during that period that's a cost of 73 500 000. Funny though, because 33% of Gaza'an rockets launched by Hamas have landed in Gaza. Which is why I heavily doubt the validity of statistics.

    The cost of the July/August operation was 2 500 000 billion, which is more than 1% of Israel's GDP. It also resulted in a GDP contraction of -0.4%. That's a terrible economic consequence. If this carried on for a year, Israel wouldn't be able to survive.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Oh yes and liberals are awful aren't they?
    Yes they are terrible human beings. The world would be much better without them.

    (Original post by Bornblue)
    You literally just supported bombing schools and hospitals which had little children hiding in them. In other words you supported the murder of children.
    Pull another straw.
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    (Original post by SotonianOne)
    So? Each rocket costs around 100 000 dollars. The upkeep of Iron Dome's existence goes into the hundreds of millions. Why should Israel suffer economically as a result? Would you justify Hamas shelling Israel every single day just because of the Iron Dome? (if the answer is yes, dont bother replying)

    With 735 rockets hit down during that period that's a cost of 73 500 000. Funny though, because 33% of Gaza'an rockets launched by Hamas have landed in Gaza. Which is why I heavily doubt the validity of statistics.

    The cost of the July/August operation was 2 500 000 billion, which is more than 1% of Israel's GDP. It also resulted in a GDP contraction of -0.4%. That's a terrible economic consequence. If this carried on for a year, Israel wouldn't be able to survive.



    Yes they are terrible human beings. The world would be much better without them.



    Pull another straw.
    Has anyone told you that lives are more important than money and economics or is that a new one to you?

    I'm also interested to hear your problem with Liberals, but you strike me as someone who doesn't really know much about ideologies other than what the Mail says so I'd expect a nonsensical rant.
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    (Original post by Jacky Hearts)
    Has anyone told you that lives are more important than money and economics .
    No they arent.
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    (Original post by MatureStudent36)
    I'd stick a blockade around Palestine if I was in charge of Israel to try and stop the rockets coming in that are targeting Israeli civilians.

    Israel's main priority is to defend it's population. Not Palestinian civilians who the Palestinian authorities are more than happy to knowingly out into the firing line to cause casualties.
    So turn it into a concentration camp, thats very jewish of you considering the nazis there already have done that.
    No rocket has ever targeted a civillian since they dont have any rockets that can be targeted not to mention most simply fall in the desert or are shot down.

    No israel shouldnt exist as we all know the jews were never meant to be able to steal land just because we felt bad for them... and the palestinian authorities dont do any such thing and dont say they let the rockets be fired from civillian areas because theres nowhere else to fire them from theyve had all their land stolen by the nazis and had it turned into condos for the filth of that ******* country.
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    (Original post by Soldieroffortune)
    So turn it into a concentration camp, thats very jewish of you considering the nazis there already have done that.
    No rocket has ever targeted a civillian since they dont have any rockets that can be targeted not to mention most simply fall in the desert or are shot down.

    No israel shouldnt exist as we all know the jews were never meant to be able to steal land just because we felt bad for them... and the palestinian authorities dont do any such thing and dont say they let the rockets be fired from civillian areas because theres nowhere else to fire them from theyve had all their land stolen by the nazis and had it turned into condos for the filth of that ******* country.
    Well Israel does exist.

    And yes. Palestinians have targeted Israeli civilians be it through unguided missiles fired into Israel. Suicide bombers blowing up cafes or aircraft hijacked.
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    (Original post by SotonianOne)
    No they arent.
    70% of Palestinians killed were civilians.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...093_story.html

    You obviously are anti-Palestinian as you don't seem to care about their lives and condone and probably even encourage the bombing of innocent civilians such as the bombings on hospitals.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-hospital.html

    How can you support such a country? I ask genuinely because I am in awe.
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    (Original post by Soldieroffortune)
    Im waiting for you to name something the jews havent done albeit worse firing cluster shells and bombs into palestine deliberatly targeting civillians whilst rockets fired into israel cant be said to be aimed at civillians by the fact they cant be aimed... they're designed as ADWs but have been adapted. besides theyre freedom fighters so so what?
    It does by default.
    Israelis have done things in return.

    But Israel tends to respond, not initiate.
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    (Original post by RhymeAsylumForever)
    70% of Palestinians killed were civilians.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...093_story.html
    I know that. You are pointing this out because?

    (Original post by RhymeAsylumForever)
    You obviously are anti-Palestinian as you don't seem to care about their lives and condone and probably even encourage the bombing of innocent civilians such as the bombings on hospitals.
    Not really, I may resemble an anti-Palestinian because this is what these fora have encouraged me to do so. In principle I am mostly opposed to Israel's actions.

    (Original post by RhymeAsylumForever)
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-hospital.html

    How can you support such a country? I ask genuinely because I am in awe.
    Because I care more about trade than war.
 
 
 
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