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    Actually come to think of it, Danny Welbeck literally is a better defender than Bellerin and arguably Bellerin attacks better.
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    why is bellerin on the wing lol, just stick welbeck and debuchy on that side if you want more defensive contribution.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Fabregas has one league goal this calender year?:rolleyes:
    I'm not saying Fabregas has replicated his earlier season form, just pointing out that Ozil, while he may be playing well, isn't getting the goals and assists to reflect that atm.
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    Yeah no idea how you haven't realised by now Leinad that Santi's dropped into CM time ago..
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    I'm not saying Fabregas has replicated his earlier season form, just pointing out that Ozil, while he may be playing well, isn't getting the goals and assists to reflect that atm.
    I agree, I was just pointing out that the method you were using to measure a players impact (i.e. goals scored) and form is flawed in this situation
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Yeah no idea how you haven't realised by now Leinad that Santi's dropped into CM time ago..
    I know he has, but I still really don't like the Santi Ozil combo in the middle against good teams. Ozil's stats regarding defensive work-rate often deceiv; against Burnley with 5 minutes to go we try to break and it doesn't work and Ozil just stood there on the half way line for a couple of minutes and then wandered back looking completely disinterested. I know it's at the end of a game and he's tired but there's a definite lack of defensive discipline, Coq can make up for both of them against poor sides, but against a disciplined side like Chelsea it's never going to work.
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    Ozil has literally improved all aspects of his game since coming back from injury, sometimes its like he just knows what a player is going to do and turns him with ease whereas last season he would just get dispossesed. He's the guy that keeps it all ticking up top recently as his understanding with Ramsey Giroud and Alexis has improved.
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    Bellerin such a polarising player
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    Bellerin is the example of a media defender, he gets repped because he's good offensively but can't defend for ****. Every Arsenal fan knows that
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Ironically you're the one cyberbulling me.
    Usually I am opposed to 'victim blaming', but in your case, you are absolutely asking for it.
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    (Original post by Depleted)
    Bellerin such a polarising player
    Most Arsenal players are. Last season some of our most hated were Cazorla, Giroud, Monreal, and Ozil (for the latter half). Funny how the fanbase changes their opinions completely in very short spaces of time.

    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Bellerin is the example of a media defender, he gets repped because he's good offensively but can't defend for ****. Every Arsenal fan knows that
    It's because the PL values entertainment over quality, so they don't mind someone letting in goals as long as they score them (it's why Chelsea are hated so much for being quality yet boring).
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    Bellerin such a polarising player
    Quick as **** though.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Most Arsenal players are. Last season some of our most hated were Cazorla, Giroud, Monreal, and Ozil (for the latter half). Funny how the fanbase changes their opinions completely in very short spaces of time.



    It's because the PL values entertainment over quality, so they don't mind someone letting in goals as long as they score them (it's why Chelsea are hated so much for being quality yet boring).

    Football fans are just fickle in general tbh
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Football fans are just fickle in general tbh
    Yeah but Arsenal fans are some of the worst, especially post-invincibles.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Sorry for that last comment about Bellerin if anyone found it offensive :/
    I liked it

    classic terrorism banter
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Yeah but Arsenal fans are some of the worst, especially post-invincibles.

    Wouldn't say that's true. We've only just got a glimpse of how bad (and fast) UTD fans can get once their club goes into meltdown so it's a shame they've recovered so fast.
    Don't forget how bad the Liverpool fans turned last season once they got the slightest glimpse of glory

    Oh and then there's Chelsea. The less said about Chelsea the better.
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    (Original post by Arkasia)
    Yeah but Arsenal fans are some of the worst, especially post-invincibles.
    It's the self-entitlement that annoys me, the fans who say "we pay the most for tickets so we deserve the league every year", it's like, get a ****ing grip.

    Same fans who complain about expensive tickets, the stadium is sold out every game so Arsenal obviously have their ticket prices pretty spot on in terms of supply and demand
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    Wouldn't say that's true. We've only just got a glimpse of how bad (and fast) UTD fans can get once their club goes into meltdown so it's a shame they've recovered so fast.
    Don't forget how bad the Liverpool fans turned last season once they got the slightest glimpse of glory

    Oh and then there's Chelsea. The less said about Chelsea the better.
    United fans are used to success for good reason, so last season was a shock. Only a handful of managers in the world could have survived in that job the year after Ferguson left, so Moyes was screwed from the moment he accepted the role.

    Liverpool fans are just desperate, and Chelsea fans are just prawn-sandwich eating WUMS.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    It's the self-entitlement that annoys me, the fans who say "we pay the most for tickets so we deserve the league every year", it's like, get a ****ing grip.

    Same fans who complain about expensive tickets, the stadium is sold out every game so Arsenal obviously have their ticket prices pretty spot on in terms of supply and demand
    im guessing you're not a match going fan
 
 
 
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