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What is supposed to be so hard about mechanics?!
Learn a handful of equations and you're practically there at least for M1 or M2

On a more jovial note, I really wish the telegraph would go back to referring to labour add the socialists like they used to

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Labour aren't socalist though, they are red Tories IRL
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Bull**** is N2 and SUVAT not in GCSE physics, even then wasn't the first time I'd seen it in school
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It certainly wasn't on my specification. We learnt about convex and concave lenses, comparing the eye to the camera and specific heat capacity. Absolutely nothing like AS level physics. What a GREAT representation of what I was putting myself into.

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You cannot makes things easier to reduce the number of children failing at them, you must make teaching better so children can pass. I had my parents dig out some of their work from when they did A-levels, to my horror I was stumped at the maths, economics, physics and biology questions even though the content had not changed an awful lot.
"make the teaching better" I do not know what techniques could be introduced to make students smarter.

I also don't understand the assumption that O level difficulty was the "correct" difficulty. Considering you need a degree and generally post grad to work in science, the difficulty of the A levels are hardly the point. And when you consider that these degrees have "year in industry" parts, how can it be that the degree level education in the subjects, which lead to university level, aren't good enough for the real thing? Clearly society isn't disintegrating because the scientists can't add up.

One more point. You don't think that if you were taught the old courses then you would be better able to deal with their style? Exams have a way into them.
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Why do I find myself advocating the moderate position in ANY debate I get into? There must be some psychological **** going here.
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(Original post by Jammy Duel)
Those studying a subject, particularly at A2, should be fairly competent. Of they found M1 hard drop maths or do S1 (unless the 2 AS for core maths is only if doing double). If the majority are having difficulty at A level there is clearly something wrong, nobody is forcing them to do it.

At GCSE might be another matter since you don't get a choice there, but even then, if the majority are having difficulty that would be somewhat suggestive of the ability of the teaching staff and/or competence of the average student.

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No some people just find certain things confusing mate. Stop being so up yourself. Some people might not be naturally gifted and are trying to push themselves to better themselves in life mate. So stop being so up yourself and think of the real world.
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Just bc you may find it to be relatively easy, does not mean all others are the same. That'd be like asking why so many people are having difficulty with Chemistry etc, which is just beyond ridiculous. I thought you'd take a bit more time to think about things considering you're from a 'non-thick school.'


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No some people just find certain things confusing mate. Stop being so up yourself. Some people might not be naturally gifted and are trying to push themselves to better themselves in life mate. So stop being so up yourself and think of the real world.
Some, since when was some the majority?

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Labour aren't socalist though, they are red Tories IRL
No. The Guardiansia Left extremists just have no grasp of ideological nuance of pragmatic considerations.
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The correct level of difficulty is somewhere inbetween what they are now and o level. LArge swathes of failing working class kids is NOT a public good.
The correct level of difficulty is on a par with the most difficult in the world. If that means the number of A-C students fall then employers will adjust their expectations.
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(Original post by KingStannis)
Why do I find myself advocating the moderate position in ANY debate I get into? There must be some psychological **** going here.
You consider your self moderate... No one thinks of themselves as an extremist so you truly believe that... It's not always the case.
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"make the teaching better" I do not know what techniques could be introduced to make students smarter.

I also don't understand the assumption that O level difficulty was the "correct" difficulty. Considering you need a degree and generally post grad to work in science, the difficulty of the A levels are hardly the point. And when you consider that these degrees have "year in industry" parts, how can it be that the degree level education in the subjects, which lead to university level, aren't good enough for the real thing? Clearly society isn't disintegrating because the scientists can't add up.

One more point. You don't think that if you were taught the old courses then you would be better able to deal with their style? Exams have a way into them.
The leading employers are no speaking out saying A-levels and degrees often leave students unprepared for the real world; even Oxbridge graduates have been criticised of knowing bits of theory which they cannot transfer into real world skills.

Maths is maths and students should be able to successfully answer any question given at them even if they have no been trained to answer the exam paper. It was application of differentiation I struggled on when looking at an A-level paper from the 80's when I should have known how to do it. The whole idea of students learning a way into an exam highlights everything that needs changing about our system. Students should learn everything about a topic and be asked unpredictable questions on it changing in style every single year.

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http://filestore.aqa.org.uk/subjects...P-QP-JUN13.PDFNo it wasn't, I did that paper and SUVAT/N2L want on there.I did forget we did moments at Zgcse Though.
Question 4.b. is related to f = m x a in a simplistic form, and question 6 is simple kinematics. In 2013 question 4 is again related to force, and question 8 in the specimen paper is related to turning points.

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And as soon as civil of the grades shifts to the competing exam boards those grades will go up, and the government doesn't care because our means they can claim that out education system is getting better even though it isn't
Exam boards need to be outlawed with the Department of Education taking over the responsibility of writing the exams.
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"make the teaching better" I do not know what techniques could be introduced to make students smarter.

I also don't understand the assumption that O level difficulty was the "correct" difficulty. Considering you need a degree and generally post grad to work in science, the difficulty of the A levels are hardly the point. And when you consider that these degrees have "year in industry" parts, how can it be that the degree level education in the subjects, which lead to university level, aren't good enough for the real thing? Clearly society isn't disintegrating because the scientists can't add up.

One more point. You don't think that if you were taught the old courses then you would be better able to deal with their style? Exams have a way into them.
The whole system is broken, for nearly two decades at the very least people have been pushed to university not because they need a degree but because it helps with youth unemployment figures. How many people are better suited for their jobs for going to university? Not many. Will my degree make me better suited for the sort of job i want to do? Maybe a little. More of an improvement than shielding those 3 or 4 years on the job? Hell no! I'm doing my degree because the way things are now I need it, admittedly I would have pretty much needed it 20 or 30 years ago too. But too many people are going to university who simply don't need to. To many people are getting the higher degree qualifications to the point that some employers are considering dropping 2.1 or first in favour of just first because not only are more period going to uni, but the amount getting these classifications are going up.

These increases are being justified by unis by having a "smarter intake" as defined by A levels, which are also seeing inappropriate grade inflation because the government likes grades to go up and because the exam boards are competing thus there is a race to the bottom. Same with GCSE

Not to mention that these days we're taught the exam so often and not the content. I was lucky enough to gave a maths teacher at A level that taught the course, not the exam, but that doesn't mean it's the norm.

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Nigel Farage MEP 4.b is pressure nothing to do with F=ma in the slightest
And 6 is moments not SUVAT as you claimed was in every paper.
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No some people just find certain things confusing mate. Stop being so up yourself. Some people might not be naturally gifted and are trying to push themselves to better themselves in life mate. So stop being so up yourself and think of the real world.
And there are things I didn't find so easy, I wasn't stupid enough to take them at A level, I dripped them going into GCSE

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Nigel Farage MEP 4.b is pressure nothing to do with F=ma in the slightest
And 6 is moments not SUVAT as you claimed was in every paper.
With AQA it is simple kinematics over suvat specifically, however, other exam boards do include suvat questions which was my original point.
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The leading employers are no speaking out saying A-levels and degrees often leave students unprepared for the real world; even Oxbridge graduates have been criticised of knowing bits of theory which they cannot transfer into real world skills.

Maths is maths and students should be able to successfully answer any question given at them even if they have no been trained to answer the exam paper. It was application of differentiation I struggled on when looking at an A-level paper from the 80's when I should have known how to do it. The whole idea of students learning a way into an exam highlights everything that needs changing about our system. Students should learn everything about a topic and be asked unpredictable questions on it changing in style every single year.
Well, how can you criticise institutions of unfettered theoretical education for teaching theory which isn't designed for a specific job afterwards? It's for the employer and employee to bridge the gaps between theoretical and practical knowledge. The "practical" subjects, you'll notice, are derided as "mickey mouse". Employers can't have it both ways.

Maths is maths so any maths question any maths student should be able to do? What? Okay. History is history. So if I know the economics of Tudor rebellions I should be able to write an essay on how the Napoleonic Wars shaped subsequent European Imperialism? What?

How are teachers supposed to teach an exam they don't know? This isn't the 1980s. You can't just fail them and say "meh, they'll get a job lifting something". For one thing we live in a professional service economy now.
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Well, how can you criticise institutions of unfettered theoretical education for teaching theory which isn't designed for a specific job afterwards? It's for the employer and employee to bridge the gaps between theoretical and practical knowledge. The "practical" subjects, you'll notice, are derided as "mickey mouse". Employers can't have it both ways.

Maths is maths so any maths question any maths student should be able to do? What? Okay. History is history. So if I know the economics of Tudor rebellions I should be able to write an essay on how the Napoleonic Wars shaped subsequent European Imperialism? What?

How are teachers supposed to teach an exam they don't know? This isn't the 1980s. You can't just fail them and say "meh, they'll get a job lifting something". For one thing we live in a professional service economy now.
Try telling that to all the immigrants here doing menial labour and sending their earnings back home, a that be Africa or eastern Europe.

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A say a high majority in my class filled With 30 students 10 doing further about 5 I would say get it and by responses on here saying people have difficulty with it just because you're the next Steven Hawkins you need to realise that you're acting like a stuck up **** and need not abuse others for their lack of understanding. Especially saying that person was a **** school :hand:
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Try telling that to all the immigrants here doing menial labour and sending their earnings back home, a that be Africa or eastern Europe.

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And they've taken all the jobs and driven the prices down. There's not that many such jobs. We don't live an industrial economy.

People who want more people to take such jobs are just scared of the competition.
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Is that really hope bad this country is now that only about 20% can grasp SUVAT, N2, simple friction and impulse with a little boy of thinking on the side to determine what's relevant and what isn't. Was the same with the rejected GCSE questions. As I said yesterday, the calculus shouldn't have been there given the syllabus, but that level of calculus should be at GCSE, at least one of the other questions was just fine.

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