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TSR MHoC General Election March 2013 watch

  • View Poll Results: TSR MHoC General election. Cast your vote:
    TSR Conservative and Unionist Party
    110
    18.09%
    TSR Green Party
    77
    12.66%
    TSR Labour Party
    131
    21.55%
    TSR Liberal Party
    53
    8.72%
    TSR Libertarian Party
    46
    7.57%
    TSR Socialist Party
    69
    11.35%
    tehFrance
    36
    5.92%
    TSR UKIP
    69
    11.35%
    Spoilt Ballot
    17
    2.80%

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    (Original post by CLS94)
    Considering the EDL is primarily a street movement rather than a political party with formal membership, it'd be pretty hard to "ban" their members. Last time I checked, to become an EDL member all you had to do was "like" their Facebook page, which meant several journalists etc were included in their membership figures :P It say alot that RL UKIP has to spend so much time insisting it isn't racist, and given the extreme homophobia behind the scenes which is disgusting enough as it is, covert racism would hardly be a surprise. I know that the TSR party is different, but personally I'd want nothing to do with anyone who even vaguely associated themselves with a group like that.
    By "ban", they cannot officially apply for a UKIP membership to attend conferences and other such UKIP events.

    Yes, obviously, anyone can like a Facebook page.

    It has to spend time insisting it isn't racist because David Cameron himself accused UKIP of being a party of "fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists", just for speaking about immigration with some genuine warning, instead of brushing it under the carpet.

    A party that thumped his own at the last by-election as well.

    You get lunatic fringes in every party, and Farage has kicked out many people from UKIP for homophobic and racist sentiments made while in the party.

    It is not a racist party
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    If your tweeting about the election, could you please use the hashtag #mhocelection

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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Can we stop negging people for saying "I voted X! or "Vote Y!"? If people aren't being confrontational, they deserve positive rep and a warm welcome! If they're not, a sea of red is perhaps more appropriate but still less useful.
    Here here
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    (Original post by jcarz)
    The only thing superficial is the career history of the three main party leaders. University into research into politics. No real understanding of the real world.

    Farage has worked in two foreign investment banks so has much more economic credibility than the cretins we have government.

    Populism represents the interest of most ordinary working people - there's a lot to protest about.

    The people they are hiring are disillusioned with the three main parties and are defecting to them in monumental droves.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...to-Tories.html

    Get out of EU not at least the start of a workable immigration policy?? :confused:
    Your first point is somewhat counter productive in that the first part of it is disproven by the second. There are many people working in politics who have gone straight from university to research (I'm one of them, not that I'm planning on staying). But these people are not necessarily out of touch with the 'real world' and are not in any way representative of politics more widely. For one thing, most researchers are young (and therefore likely to be fresh from studying) because the pay is crap. This means that once you get a little older and perhaps start wanting to settle down or buy expensive things like cars and houses, you either move up the political ladder or you leave. For another, there are many people in mainstream parties who have done plenty of real world work before hand. Some of it in the financial sector like Farage* or in law or business or what have you. My boss was a manager in McDonalds and our chief of staff spent years as a computer programmer in Europe (making a hilarious amount of money compared to now). Farage's argument that professional politicians is both hypocritical and nonsensical (and he knows it).

    Populism represents the interests of ordinary people, sure, but ordinary people know nothing about running a country. Running a country is hard and most people do not know the first thing about all of the things you have to do. It would be great to see more scientists and teachers and soldiers and what have you in the top level of politics, but the fact is that literally every single one of those people who gets elected will immediately hire a large amount of professional politicians. Because politics is a profession if you want to do it at Westminster.

    Getting out of the EU is not an immigration policy. It allows you to alter your immigration policy. It also does a large number of other things, some objectively good and some objectively bad.



    *Which by the by is not in any way representative of the kind of 'real people' who vote for populists.

    And I'd rather people were more confrontational, than soft and touchy-feely. Isn't confrontation what debate is about?
    Yeah, fine, but that's presumably how you got two red gems on under 200 posts. And it's not particularly conducive to bringing in new people who are less confident in their knowledge and debating.
    (Original post by MattFletcher)
    The idea of results being hidden is so — like a general election — the results are anonymous and you don't know who voted who. So saying 'I voted…' kind of makes the results being hidden a bit pointless
    Gotta say I think this is a silly argument. Results are hidden for many obvious reasons but people should be able to say who and why they voted in a particular way if they want. Without this you lack any capability to do any form of useful political analysis. You also lack the ability to engage new people who vote here for the first time; what good is them voting and then never posting? This is exactly the same as the real world.

    Also negging them for it is still utterly ridiculous. Though I imagine it's newer people doing it.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Also negging them for it is still utterly ridiculous. Though I imagine it's newer people doing it.
    I didn't neg them by the way!
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    (Original post by MacDaddi)
    I would like to remind you that the partys here whilst sharing the name, do not share the same policies or leaders as in real life.

    why are you complaining about the number of liberals? its a student forum, what do you expect?
    (Original post by CLS94)
    Considering the EDL is primarily a street movement rather than a political party with formal membership, it'd be pretty hard to "ban" their members. Last time I checked, to become an EDL member all you had to do was "like" their Facebook page, which meant several journalists etc were included in their membership figures :P It say alot that RL UKIP has to spend so much time insisting it isn't racist, and given the extreme homophobia behind the scenes which is disgusting enough as it is, covert racism would hardly be a surprise. I know that the TSR party is different, but personally I'd want nothing to do with anyone who even vaguely associated themselves with a group like that.
    Obviously if someone says "Vote TSR UKIP" they are strongly reminded by all and sundry that RL parties are different to TSR parties and they shouldn't base their vote decision on what's going on in real life; but its fine to point out who RL UKIP have been endorsed by, to try and dissuade people from voting for the TSR party, for something which has no bearing whatsoever on this election.
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    I'd hazard a guess that TSR EDL would endorse TSR UKIP.

    Let's ask tufc and find out.
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    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    Obviously if someone says "Vote TSR UKIP" they are strongly reminded by all and sundry that RL parties are different to TSR parties and they shouldn't base their vote decision on what's going on in real life; but its fine to point out who RL UKIP have been endorsed by, to try and dissuade people from voting for the TSR party, for something which has no bearing whatsoever on this election.
    I thought it might have been a good idea to point it out to stop others drawing parrallels with rl, such as the person in question referring to Cameron in his reasosn for voting
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    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    Obviously if someone says "Vote TSR UKIP" they are strongly reminded by all and sundry that RL parties are different to TSR parties and they shouldn't base their vote decision on what's going on in real life; but its fine to point out who RL UKIP have been endorsed by, to try and dissuade people from voting for the TSR party, for something which has no bearing whatsoever on this election.
    Makes the name changing amendment look half decent again doesn't it?
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    (Original post by MacDaddi)
    I thought it might have been a good idea to point it out to stop others drawing parrallels with rl, such as the person in question referring to Cameron in his reasosn for voting
    Fair enough, it was more CLS I was raising the point to.

    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Makes the name changing amendment look half decent again doesn't it?
    No

    (Original post by JPKC)
    I'd hazard a guess that TSR EDL would endorse TSR UKIP.

    Let's ask tufc and find out.
    I personally certainly hope they wouldn't.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Firstly, remember that this is not real life. TSR UKIP is different to the real life UKIP, with different members, policies, people etc. As others have said

    Secondly, to delve in to reality for a moment, this is an interesting argument. The thing about UKIP is that they're populist and have a superficial idea about how to run the country. If you allow populists (or extremists) in to government, they find that their superficial ideas about how to run a government do not square with the complexities of actually doing statecraft. See for examples the 'Best' party of Iceland, currently running the capital city, or the FPO in Austria who have been in government before. With UKIP you in fact do not know what you are getting, because once they get in to government they will find that most of their policies are laughed off by the civil service. Most of their immigration policies, for example, are just not workable.

    My favourite thing about having UKIP gain more power is that they would necessarily have to higher (even) more 'profressional politicians' i.e. aides, researchers, constituency orgnanisers etc. They would actually become more mainstream overnight. Afraid it's a student forum, no escaping that!Good man.Boo! Hiss!

    Can we stop negging people for saying "I voted X! or "Vote Y!"? If people aren't being confrontational, they deserve positive rep and a warm welcome! If they're not, a sea of red is perhaps more appropriate but still less useful.
    I'm curious as to just how much power the civil service have over policy?

    ..................

    Whilst Farage having worked is an improvement, calling investment banking "real world experience" is slightly amusing.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I'm curious as to just how much power the civil service have over policy?
    Well in that they're the ones who have to make it happen.
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    (Original post by Cannotbelieveit)
    Another Socialist Government will be the death of TSR United Kingdom.

    Vote Tory!.
    And how did you arrive at that conclusion?
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    (Original post by Endless Blue)
    And how did you arrive at that conclusion?
    Because he had access to our secret plans to nationalise the opposing parties and so establish ourselves as a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy?
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Because he had access to our secret plans to nationalise the opposing parties and so establish ourselves as a dictatorship masquerading as a democracy?
    Called it.
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    (Original post by Thunder and Jazz)
    Your first point is somewhat counter productive in that the first part of it is disproven by the second. There are many people working in politics who have gone straight from university to research (I'm one of them, not that I'm planning on staying). But these people are not necessarily out of touch with the 'real world' and are not in any way representative of politics more widely. For one thing, most researchers are young (and therefore likely to be fresh from studying) because the pay is crap. This means that once you get a little older and perhaps start wanting to settle down or buy expensive things like cars and houses, you either move up the political ladder or you leave. For another, there are many people in mainstream parties who have done plenty of real world work before hand. Some of it in the financial sector like Farage* or in law or business or what have you. My boss was a manager in McDonalds and our chief of staff spent years as a computer programmer in Europe (making a hilarious amount of money compared to now). Farage's argument that professional politicians is both hypocritical and nonsensical (and he knows it).

    Populism represents the interests of ordinary people, sure, but ordinary people know nothing about running a country. Running a country is hard and most people do not know the first thing about all of the things you have to do. It would be great to see more scientists and teachers and soldiers and what have you in the top level of politics, but the fact is that literally every single one of those people who gets elected will immediately hire a large amount of professional politicians. Because politics is a profession if you want to do it at Westminster.

    Getting out of the EU is not an immigration policy. It allows you to alter your immigration policy. It also does a large number of other things, some objectively good and some objectively bad.



    *Which by the by is not in any way representative of the kind of 'real people' who vote for populists.

    Yeah, fine, but that's presumably how you got two red gems on under 200 posts. And it's not particularly conducive to bringing in new people who are less confident in their knowledge and debating.
    Gotta say I think this is a silly argument. Results are hidden for many obvious reasons but people should be able to say who and why they voted in a particular way if they want. Without this you lack any capability to do any form of useful political analysis. You also lack the ability to engage new people who vote here for the first time; what good is them voting and then never posting? This is exactly the same as the real world.

    Also negging them for it is still utterly ridiculous. Though I imagine it's newer people doing it.
    Sometimes the truth isn't popular.
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    On the question of who is eligible to vote, how about just a simple time period from joining TSR? Six months in TSR MHofC land is equivalent to five years RL, and as normally you have to live (legally) for five years before you can apply for citizenship (and vote in a general election), how about just a six month period before you can vote in the TSR MHofC election?
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    Vote tehFrance for no other reason than to just vote for him!
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    (Original post by jcarz)
    Sometimes the truth isn't popular.
    Populism isn't about popularity.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    On the question of who is eligible to vote, how about just a simple time period from joining TSR? Six months in TSR MHofC land is equivalent to five years RL, and as normally you have to live (legally) for five years before you can apply for citizenship (and vote in a general election), how about just a six month period before you can vote in the TSR MHofC election?
    I think the theoretical issue with that is someone could just set up a few dupes now, leave them dormant and log-in to vote at every election from now on.
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    tehFrance's is literally the best party to ever exist. It wins my vote.
 
 
 
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