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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    I think you mean his gas-guzzling car, getting on his bike would be too much like supporting climate change combatting initiatives for a kipper
    tbf I was thinking of Tebbit's remark when I replied
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    Is Angela Eagle more electable than Corbyn?
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    (Original post by cBay)
    Is Angela Eagle more electable than Corbyn?
    Less so to grassroots, more so to the general electorate.
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    (Original post by EricAteYou)
    Less so to grassroots, more so to the general electorate.
    (Original post by cBay)
    Is Angela Eagle more electable than Corbyn?
    And either way, not against the Tories.

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    Absolutely livid with Eagle being Corbyn's competitor. Conservatives until 2025, that's 9 more years. We've only had 6 so far.... Or technically one when you consider the coalition. I need to head off to Costa Rica.
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    (Original post by Gob Bluth)
    Absolutely livid with Eagle being Corbyn's competitor. Conservatives until 2025, that's 9 more years. We've only had 6 so far.... Or technically one when you consider the coalition. I need to head off to Costa Rica.
    You do realise Eagle is more likely to win in 2020 than Corbyn and she will provide ACTUAL opposition until then?

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You do realise Eagle is more likely to win in 2020 than Corbyn and she will provide ACTUAL opposition until then?

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    With the slew of government u-turns it seems strange to suggest Corbyn has not been opposing. Or do you mean that his ability to do so from now has been compromised by the revolt?
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You do realise Eagle is more likely to win in 2020 than Corbyn and she will provide ACTUAL opposition until then?

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    She won't win.

    Corbyn won't win.

    What becomes the point at that point?

    I still don't really understand how she has got to this position really and how she unites both sides, but we'll see. It's just a mess, and I desperately want to be proved wrong.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    With the slew of government u-turns it seems strange to suggest Corbyn has not been opposing. Or do you mean that his ability to do so from now has been compromised by the revolt?
    I mean if you look at him in PMQs and Eagle in PMQs alone it's clear one is a liability and one is capable. The other thing is that you ate making assumptions about the reason for U-turns that are not necessarily good assumptions to make

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    I mean if you look at him in PMQs and Eagle in PMQs alone it's clear one is a liability and one is capable. The other thing is that you ate making assumptions about the reason for U-turns that are not necessarily good assumptions to make

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    I think Corbyn often does quite well in PMQs. And I think that to assume that Eagle would provide strong opposition on the basis of a few amusing jibes at Osborne is a much less reliable assumption. Her only real strength is that the rebel MPs would, most likely, support her.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I think Corbyn often does quite well in PMQs. And I think that to assume that Eagle would provide strong opposition on the basis of a few amusing jibes at Osborne is a much less reliable assumption. Her only real strength is that the rebel MPs would, most likely, support her.
    Have we been watching the same thing? Corbyn is dry and ineffective. He's better than when he started but he is incapable of pushing and has no presence (not that Eagle does, she's too small and doesn't have the voice)

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    Well either way we have to get behind whoever is chosen.

    I haven't been impressed from what I have seen of Eagle, but I'll give her a chance if it means it unites the party for now. And if the party are rallying behind her it stops this ridiculous quarelling from the past year. Corbyn cannot stay on, his position will ruin the Labour party. So if Eagle is the alternative, I'll need to reduce my frustration and try to find reason to believe this is a good choice.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Have we been watching the same thing? Corbyn is dry and ineffective. He's better than when he started but he is incapable of pushing and has no presence (not that Eagle does, she's too small and doesn't have the voice)

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    I think Corbyn seems dignified and Cameron juvenile in comparison, and agree that Eagle doesn't have much presence. Corbyn can inspire in a way that Eagle can't. If Corbyn is to be replaced, I think Eagle is an adequate but far from ideal choice.
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    (Original post by RayApparently)
    I think Corbyn seems dignified and Cameron juvenile in comparison, and agree that Eagle doesn't have much presence. Corbyn can inspire in a way that Eagle can't. If Corbyn is to be replaced, I think Eagle is an adequate but far from ideal choice.
    Corbyn inspires the converted, do you really think a Republican, IRA supporting, I can't remember the others on Rakas' list, socialist inspires the confidence of the swing voters?

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    (Original post by cBay)
    Is Angela Eagle more electable than Corbyn?
    Maybe more electable, but not an election winner, and I think her support for the Iraq war (and voting against an inquiry into it) will put off the members who rejoined who had left after the war and newer members who joined over the past 6 years who didn't join due to the toxicity of Iraq, and other things, hanging over the party.

    If Corbyn goes we need someone such as Lisa Nandy really, someone from the left, but who is seen as someone who can compromise, who could actually do something of a job of unifying, unlike Watson or Eagle or imo Jarvis.

    Also worth pointing out Eagle's CLP backs Corbyn, would be interesting if she becomes leader and they then deselect her
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    (Original post by Gob Bluth)
    She won't win.

    Corbyn won't win.

    What becomes the point at that point?

    I still don't really understand how she has got to this position really and how she unites both sides, but we'll see. It's just a mess, and I desperately want to be proved wrong.
    What's the point? Well, which would a leftie prefer: the Tories having a majority of a few dozen or well over 100? It really is that simple, if you can't win you make the other guys win as awkward as possible.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Corbyn inspires the converted, do you really think a Republican, IRA supporting, I can't remember the others on Rakas' list, socialist inspires the confidence of the swing voters?

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    With a weakened Tory party, absolutely.

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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    With a weakened Tory party, absolutely.

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    "Weakened"

    Care to remind me for which party the dissidents are the majority?

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    I would be open to replacing Corbyn tbh, but two objections. First is the lack of an obvious contender, Benn? Eagle? None stick out as someone to shake things up.

    Additionally, the PLP behaviour is disgraceful, anyone who resigned in protest against Corbyn was petty and frankly lost all my respect. Tom Watson is another who deserves criticism for that.

    I'd be open to a split of some kind.

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    (Original post by Gob Bluth)
    Well either way we have to get behind whoever is chosen.

    I haven't been impressed from what I have seen of Eagle, but I'll give her a chance if it means it unites the party for now. And if the party are rallying behind her it stops this ridiculous quarelling from the past year. Corbyn cannot stay on, his position will ruin the Labour party. So if Eagle is the alternative, I'll need to reduce my frustration and try to find reason to believe this is a good choice.
    If I'm going to rally behind someone they need to have a clean history with Corbyn. I won't rally behind Eagle.

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