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    (Original post by mobbsy91)
    Haha, so what was the point of Cameron going to try and negotiate for us staying in the EU before this referendum... Plus, the uncertainty does no good to the economy. If for the next two years businesses don't know whether to plan to stay or go, then it'd be a lot worse when the decision is made, and we'd be worse off compared to the fact now that businesses can plan much better for leaving.

    Are we even allowed to do that right at the end of the negotiations, and why waste millions more pounds on more campaigning. Waste of time.
    you cant hop onto this bandwagon now after voting FOR the uncertainty of leaving.

    If this were to happen companies would be like "hey theres a chance we could not have the uncertainty of leaving, that decreases our risk margins for investment".

    Right now its like "we cannot do anything for years until we get the trade deal, which will definately be inferior to what we have now".

    As someone who want at some point to set up some kind of business, either small or self employed, later in life, I know which one i prefer.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Easier just to set the exit date after the next election. That way if people want a different deal, they can just vote for said party.
    IF a non insane party campaigns on the ticket of promising to reverse the referendum (is that even legal?) they defo have my vote.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    IF a non insane party campaigns on the ticket of promising to reverse the referendum (is that even legal?) they defo have my vote.
    Tis indeed legal. It's basically what the SNP did (vote for us and we'll ignore the result until you give the right one).
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Easier just to set the exit date after the next election. That way if people want a different deal, they can just vote for said party.
    Or have a GE now...
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    I also dont understand the leave's democratic argument...They fought the campaign of the premise of lower immigration, which they've now taken back, on increased nhs spending, which they've now taken back, on the basis that Turkey are set to join, which simply isn't true, on the basis that immigration is harmful economically, which is isn't.

    If democracy is voting for polices you want to be enacted, this is an extremely undemocratic result.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    IF a non insane party campaigns on the ticket of promising to reverse the referendum (is that even legal?) they defo have my vote.
    If the Lib Dems count as non insane I suspect they'll be pushing for us to rejoin the EU/reverse the result as the most Pro-EU major party


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    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ampaign-tories

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ign-foreigners

    https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...redum-campaign

    Toynbee really is something else.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    I also dont understand the leave's democratic argument...They fought the campaign of the premise of lower immigration, which they've now taken back, on increased nhs spending, which they've now taken back, on the basis that Turkey are set to join, which simply isn't true, on the basis that immigration is harmful economically, which is isn't.

    If democracy is voting for polices you want to be enacted, this is an extremely undemocratic result.
    Can you not just shut up and accept we're out

    Remain campaigned on the end of the world, it hasn't; they campaigned on the pound being worth less than the dollar, it isn't; they campaigned on the EU ignoring us, they aren't.

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    I would certainly like to see the referendum result reversed in Paris this afternoon, with Wales remaining in Europe and Northern Ireland getting to leave.

    Am watching Switzerland-Poland now and waiting for the first Brexit reference.

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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    If the Lib Dems count as non insane I suspect they'll be pushing for us to rejoin the EU/reverse the result as the most Pro-EU major party


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    ill vote for them, and if the tories elect a remain leader, they they can come together and do this ****!
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Or have a GE now...
    (Original post by banterboy)
    I also dont understand the leave's democratic argument...They fought the campaign of the premise of lower immigration, which they've now taken back, on increased nhs spending, which they've now taken back, on the basis that Turkey are set to join, which simply isn't true, on the basis that immigration is harmful economically, which is isn't.

    If democracy is voting for polices you want to be enacted, this is an extremely undemocratic result.
    Nige is the one who says the NHS won't get more money, not vote leave. Lower immigration probably will be the result, just not zero immigration (you can't really say much about this until the negotiations end). The fact that Turkey may join at all is reason to leave, there's no guarantee we'd have a referendum before they infested our continent, That's true.

    Referenda are awful but a lot of people pushed for a referendum anyway.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    I also dont understand the leave's democratic argument...They fought the campaign of the premise of lower immigration, which they've now taken back, on increased nhs spending, which they've now taken back, on the basis that Turkey are set to join, which simply isn't true, on the basis that immigration is harmful economically, which is isn't.

    If democracy is voting for polices you want to be enacted, this is an extremely undemocratic result.
    Completely agree. People voted out based on lies... The leave campaign is actually where my anti-lying bill came from.
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    If the Lib Dems count as non insane I suspect they'll be pushing for us to rejoin the EU/reverse the result as the most Pro-EU major party


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    I suspect that the SNP and maybe the greens woudl campaign under the same ticket.
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    (Original post by Aph)
    Completely agree. People voted out based on lies... The leave campaign is actually where my anti-lying bill came from.

    I suspect that the SNP and maybe the greens woudl campaign under the same ticket.
    I suspect the SNP will have no need too as they'll be off whilst the Greens will only be able to appeal to the left, whilst the Lib Dems will be able to appeal to both the left and right


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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Can you not just shut up and accept we're out

    Remain campaigned on the end of the world, it hasn't; they campaigned on the pound being worth less than the dollar, it isn't; they campaigned on the EU ignoring us, they aren't.

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    Remain campaigned on huge consequences resulting in leaving, and already we're presiding on the Break up of Great Britain. So they get that one. They campaigned on economic projections with regards to that, not policy, and the pound very nearly sunk to the dollar anyway, so that's not a point against them, i'venever heard of the one where they campaigned that if we voted out the EU wouldn't let us.
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    Remain campaigned on huge consequences resulting in leaving, and already we're presiding on the Break up of Great Britain. So they get that one. They campaigned on economic projections with regards to that, not policy, and the pound very nearly sunk to the dollar anyway, so that's not a point against them, i'venever heard of the one where they campaigned that if we voted out the EU wouldn't let us.
    You mean threat of the break up of the UK, not the same thing.

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    (Original post by Saracen's Fez)
    I would certainly like to see the referendum result reversed in Paris this afternoon, with Wales remaining in Europe and Northern Ireland getting to leave.

    Am watching Switzerland-Poland now and waiting for the first Brexit reference.

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    Jonathan Pearce and Clive Tyldesley will no doubt try to outdo each other in the "who can be the biggest **** of a commentator" contest with endless jokes. God help us all.

    Hopefully Northern Ireland will win.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I suspect the SNP will have no need too as they'll be off whilst the Greens will only be able to appeal to the left, whilst the Lib Dems will be able to appeal to both the left and right


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    I do hope that the SNP get their referendum. I'll probably go live in an independent Scotland.
    The London independence petition has almost 150,000 signatures, I'd like to see a petition on London leaving the UK now too.
    I can't see the lib dems winning many places even with that campaign ticket unfortunately. Unless they create a sorta 'bremain coalition' and don't compete with other bremain parties and hope to split the vote...
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    (Original post by banterboy)
    Remain campaigned on huge consequences resulting in leaving, and already we're presiding on the Break up of Great Britain. So they get that one. They campaigned on economic projections with regards to that, not policy, and the pound very nearly sunk to the dollar anyway, so that's not a point against them, i'venever heard of the one where they campaigned that if we voted out the EU wouldn't let us.
    You've gone batty.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You mean threat of the break up of the UK, not the same thing.

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    Scotland and NI have an undeniable mandate to have a referendum though. The only thing that is keeping the country together right now is the brute force of parliament using oppressive hard power. Scotland are basically kurds right now.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    You've gone batty.
    well life as we know it is basically over my brain isn't on careful mode atm

    DOn't even care about this market panic, that's not remotely the problem anyway.
 
 
 
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