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I'm a tad late to the party but 'tis true that I'm stepping down as an Officer of the Socialists.

Most of you knew already, but it's essentially for the same reasons as Nixon. I'll still poke my head in the chat thread every now and then because nobody ever truly retires from this place; I just don't want the responsibility of being an MP/keeping up with the admin of the party.

That being said we are considering making Nixon and myself "Officers for Life" in true commie style

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Is that the end of TSR Socialist Party, comrade? Your replacements aren't particularly active.
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Is that the end of TSR Socialist Party, comrade? Your replacements aren't particularly active.
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What could this mean for the flame of Socialism...? :moon:
Fear not, we've still got people in the sub-forum and voting MPs. They're not particularly active in the House, but heck I haven't been for a few months.
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With the increasingly centrist Labour Party teaming up with the explicitly centrist Liberals, The Socialists intent to be the true and radical mouthpiece for the oppressed and ignored electorate in the next parliament. A number of bills to reclaim power and wealth from the elites are already in discussion.
How does that work when the electorate broadly despises socialism?
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Coalition or no coalition we'll be producing radical legislation to uphold our already radical manifesto as the largest party in the House.

Msg me if you want to abolish the Monarchy or get rid of the nukes again.
I'm merely a single MP but I'm sure that our party would be more than happy to lend it's support to the removal of the monarchy and trident. We do have a few other ideas floating around and should hopefully see a small revival time permitting.
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What did you find hard out of interest?
Mainly prong the effort in, still so now
But English has always been one of my weaker subjects, not get at drama either. While I enjoyed and was good at them at GCSE I imagine continuing with the likes of history and geography in terms of formal study rather than just reading stuff would have suffered from the weaker English (my relative failure in accounting was down to the written answers and a degree of complacency with the numerical ones). Never liked French and was never great as a consequence, similar with German but not as bad as French, probably slightly worse than English (put next to no effort in at all). Art and stuff, again, wasn't bad but wasn't amazing either.

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Oh yeah and mate you made out that you were good at everything. I am not moaning about M1 because getting 58% in it for the first time in weeks isn't that bad, I just hate myself when I don't get something that I feel I should so yeah..
I would say on good at most things and could do well if I could be bothered to, some more than others. Initially grasping things is getting increasingly limited, I actually need to go to lectures and do assignments now to do well rather than reading the lecture notes being sufficient.

But M1 of still 7 equations, trig and being able to know/work out in which direction to resolve in.

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(Original post by KingStannis)
How does that work when the electorate broadly despises socialism?
I don't believe that's true.
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I don't believe that's true.
Look at what they did to Ed Miliband because he approached the softer varieties of Socialism. The only ones who like socialism are the Scots; and being left is more to do with culture than actual economic learning from them anyway. They simply have to be different to the English.
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Look at what they did to Ed Miliband because he approached the softer varieties of Socialism. The only ones who like socialism are the Scots; and being left is more to do with culture than actual economic learning from them anyway. They simply have to be different to the English.
I liked Ed, but a few policies on energy price freezes, banning zero hours contracts and a rather pitiful minimum wage pledge, coupled with further austerity does not a socialist manifesto make. (If you look at the opinion polls these were actually very popular policies as well, these weren't why they lost.)

I do find this mantra of socialism being some big evil quite amusing as well when the state spends almost 50p in every £1 the country earns for us, and no leader, from any party, even Maggie, has ever been able to reduce this figure. It's almost like we quite like the government providing us with security and education and health care and roads and libraries and employment and housing stability and health regulations and pensions and so on.
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I liked Ed, but a few policies on energy price freezes, banning zero hours contracts and a rather pitiful minimum wage pledge, coupled with further austerity does not a socialist manifesto make. (If you look at the opinion polls these were actually very popular policies as well, these weren't why they lost.)

I do find this mantra of socialism being some big evil quite amusing as well when the state spends almost 50p in every £1 the country earns for us, and no leader, from any party, even Maggie, has ever been able to reduce this figure. It's almost like we quite like the government providing us with security and education and health care and roads and libraries and employment and housing stability and health regulations and pensions and so on.
Labour lost the economic credibility argument and that was contributed to by noises from the business community that this labour wasn't good. Such policies contributed to this image. They also lost because of the mere possibility of them being associated with the Socialists north of the border.

Yes we like all of that. And since we have all that and are not socialists I hardly think it's relevant.
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Mainly prong the effort in, still so now
But English has always been one of my weaker subjects, not get at drama either. While I enjoyed and was good at them at GCSE I imagine continuing with the likes of history and geography in terms of formal study rather than just reading stuff would have suffered from the weaker English (my relative failure in accounting was down to the written answers and a degree of complacency with the numerical ones). Never liked French and was never great as a consequence, similar with German but not as bad as French, probably slightly worse than English (put next to no effort in at all). Art and stuff, again, wasn't bad but wasn't amazing either.



I would say on good at most things and could do well if I could be bothered to, some more than others. Initially grasping things is getting increasingly limited, I actually need to go to lectures and do assignments now to do well rather than reading the lecture notes being sufficient.

But M1 of still 7 equations, trig and being able to know/work out in which direction to resolve in.

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Exactly I always get confused with it
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(Original post by KingStannis)
Labour lost the economic credibility argument and that was contributed to by noises from the business community that this labour wasn't good. Such policies contributed to this image. They also lost because of the mere possibility of them being associated with the Socialists north of the border.

Yes we like all of that. And since we have all that and are not socialists I hardly think it's relevant.
Labour lost the economic argument because the economic argument is dominated by people who make absence amounts of money from the status quo. What's good for a multi billionaire isn't good for you, you know. And we have a media that continually banged on for years and years that the recession was caused by excess spending. When it wasn't, it was caused by a lack of global financial regulation, regulation that Cameron and Osbourne had been continually banging on about being too excessive and demanding that it be removed. We should be counting out lucky chickens that those two clowns weren't in power when the recession struck.


How is the faulty point that 'socialism' doesn't work irrelevant when we have services provided by socialism that work wonderfully, far, far better than they work in capitalist systems.
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Exactly I always get confused with it
Which bit?
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(Original post by KingStannis)
How does that work when the electorate broadly despises socialism?
Interestingly in the election for the 10th parliament, the Socialists actually came second with 10 seats. Additionally the Libertarians in the 15th parliament got 15%.

So while i tend to agree, the TSR electorate is however willing to respond should there be an active non-RL party.
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Looks like Ireland has voted for legalising gay marriage, but official results not yet in.

It is a great day for us people of Ireland!
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Anyone want to join me in a toast to equality in Ireland's honour?
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Looks like Ireland has voted for legalising gay marriage, but official results not yet in.

It is a great day for us people of Ireland!
Hear, hear!
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Hear, hear!
Being from Northern Ireland myself I am unable to vote, but I trust the people of the Republic of Ireland will vote with what they feel is right, and not vote incase they fear they insult their religion, even if they believe it is correct!
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Wonderful news to hear how the Irish have voted to same-sex marriage, congratulations

I wonder when Northern Ireland will finally get their act in gear.
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Anyone want to join me in a toast to equality in Ireland's honour?
mobbsy91 Get us both a pint of Guinness each, will ya? I'm buying
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I liked Ed, but a few policies on energy price freezes, banning zero hours contracts and a rather pitiful minimum wage pledge, coupled with further austerity does not a socialist manifesto make. (If you look at the opinion polls these were actually very popular policies as well, these weren't why they lost.)

I do find this mantra of socialism being some big evil quite amusing as well when the state spends almost 50p in every £1 the country earns for us, and no leader, from any party, even Maggie, has ever been able to reduce this figure. It's almost like we quite like the government providing us with security and education and health care and roads and libraries and employment and housing stability and health regulations and pensions and so on.
There is an enormous difference between the 36p in every pound at the end of the Conservative era in 1997 and 49p in every pound being spent at the end of the Callaghan years. Socialism is not popular in Britain which is evident by over 50% of the the electorate voting for parties who do not offer any socialist policies. It is not that socialism is an evil alternative; although it is to the wealthy, it is that people do not want it. Following a recession any attempts to tax bankers, increase the minimum wage, end austerity, and freeze energy prices will always be popular. But when the economy is performing well and people have food on the table very few people care about austerity, taxing bankers, and nationalising energy companies.

People want a small government offering them low taxes allowing them to put their heads down and get on. Labour could be a fully socialist party promising no more cuts but people still will not vote for it. The electorate are centre-right and will elect a centre-right government every time there is an election.
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