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    Quite honestly at this point idgaf if we get bought out by Usmanov. If you can't beat them, join them. Losing every year against the better teams is not right. Our fans get royally ripped off.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Not sure if Arsenal fans understand the irony of praising Gabriel's attitude and slating Costa's. No doubt Costa is a professional wum, and can be overly aggressive, but he gives back what he takes. Gabriel attempted to lash out after the Koschielny grapple, and Costa leads from the front, which is something that none of your players have done for a long time.

    Loving the double standards of wanting to have Costa retrospectively banned, yet keep quiet over Wilshere's headbutt on Fellaini.

    Cazorla's reds were both yellow cards so not sure why I've seen Arsenao fans whinging about that.
    Yes because a retrospective 3 match ban on a player who got injured and was going to be out for 2 months after that game was really necessary.... The stupidity is real in this one

    Oh and no one has complained about santi getting sent off...
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Yes because a retrospective 3 match ban on a player who got injured and was going to be out for 2 months after that game was really necessary.... The stupidity is real in this one

    Oh and no one has complained about santi getting sent off...
    Completely irrelevant that he was injured afterwards. Should have sat out games after he returned from injury, it's no different from players getting suspensions at the end of seasons that carry on into the next campaign as has been seen from Fellaini and Suarez in recent years.

    Seen Arsenal fans on Twitter and Reddit moan about it, just because its not on TSR doesnt mean it hasn't happened.
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    (Original post by Tom.x.Gotze)
    Quite honestly at this point idgaf if we get bought out by Usmanov. If you can't beat them, join them. Losing every year against the better teams is not right. Our fans get royally ripped off.
    with wenger in charge the exact same issues will be there.

    We're always going to be 2-3 players short with Wenger. He does address issues - just too late, and then other issues arise.
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    (Original post by angelfox)
    with wenger in charge the exact same issues will be there.

    We're always going to be 2-3 players short with Wenger. He does address issues - just too late, and then other issues arise.

    Honestly think its time for him to go finally. He's won 2 FA cups on the bounce, good time to bow out and let Klopp take the reins.
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    (Original post by Tom.x.Gotze)
    Honestly think its time for him to go finally. He's won 2 FA cups on the bounce, good time to bow out and let Klopp take the reins.
    He's got to go.

    Imo we've got 4 very talented footballers who could be elite - Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil and Alexis.

    One of them is being harmed by Wenger through his training and him overplaying.

    The others are all failing because of the system that Wenger goes with.
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    (Original post by The Shed End)
    Completely irrelevant that he was injured afterwards. Should have sat out games after he returned from injury, it's no different from players getting suspensions at the end of seasons that carry on into the next campaign as has been seen from Fellaini and Suarez in recent years.

    Seen Arsenal fans on Twitter and Reddit moan about it, just because its not on TSR doesnt mean it hasn't happened.
    Yes, except that's not how retrospective bans work is it? Neither were injured so it's a completely different scenario. The ban would start from the next game and thus wouldn't matter, and if they postponed it til after injury you'd just say he's not injured when he is. You really are a dense **** sometimes aren't you
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    (Original post by angelfox)
    He's got to go.

    Imo we've got 4 very talented footballers who could be elite - Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil and Alexis.

    One of them is being harmed by Wenger through his training and him overplaying.

    The others are all failing because of the system that Wenger goes with.

    I think Coquelin can be elite, he can be one of the best CDM's in the world.
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    Considering the number of times Wenger goes on about 'mental strength', we certainly have a ridiculous lack of it. Wenger won't be leaving until at least 2017 anyway - got to suck up the negativity and move on.
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    Don't really understand the meltdown going on rn tbh. Doubt Coq has a serious injury, I mean he played on til half time. Let's face it, we're 5 points off the leaders and everyone seems to be stumbling and have got our hardest fixture of the season out of the way.
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    Yep and we're only 1 place worse off than before the game. Could've been still fourth had West Ham not won (cause let's face it, this team is one manager away from the title)

    What are Wenger's options should the injury crisis worsen? Recall Akpom and Hayden?
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    Yep and we're only 1 place worse off than before the game. Could've been still fourth had West Ham not won (cause let's face it, this team is one manager away from the title)

    What are Wenger's options should the injury crisis worsen? Recall Akpom and Hayden?
    Position in the table means nothing aside from compared to where United, City, Chelsea and Liverpool (LOL just messing) are. Right now we're ahead of 2 of them and only 5 off top after a tough start.Injury crisis? What crisis there isn't one? Only real injuries right now are Wilshere and Coq potentially in no means is it a crisis. We're sat here moaning about injuries when 1st place city finished last nights game with none of their regular back 4 and have had at least 2 injuries in the back 4 all season. Only difference is they have strength in depth where we have Debuchy, Chambers, Gibbs and Arteta all of whom should be doing a LOT better than they have.
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    (Original post by angelfox)
    He's got to go.

    Imo we've got 4 very talented footballers who could be elite - Ramsey, Wilshere, Ozil and Alexis.

    One of them is being harmed by Wenger through his training and him overplaying.

    The others are all failing because of the system that Wenger goes with.
    Have you seen an Arsenal training session? Do you know which drills Wenger makes his team carry out?

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    Imagine still thinking Wilshere can be world class
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    (Original post by e aí rapaz)
    The mods don't do anything about it because apparently it's football "banter" and all part of the "fun" of the football forum. :rolleyes:
    But when we do do something about it we get bashed for turning it into a 'nanny state' :rolleyes: and by 'we' I mean 'I'. Isn't it The Shed End


    Disclaimer- That was said in jest calm down. Thread is gonna be cleaned up however
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    (Original post by SA-1)
    Have you seen an Arsenal training session? Do you know which drills Wenger makes his team carry out?

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    I copied this from a forum a few years ago and I forgot what the site was. But I googled some sentences and found pdf and odt files which presumably contain the same information. Not sure how authentic the information is, though obviously at the time I thought it was interesting enough to retain it. Arsene Wenger's training methods

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    Arsene Wenger training Drills

    The following are drills from Wengers own training sessions.
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    8 v. 2 in a 10 x 10-yard area playing 1 touch
    (8 positioned 2 on each line of area)
    Count passes in succession, award extra point(s) for any through ball that split the 2 Defenders.
    Defenders must win or disturb 3 possessions to get out – any through ball regains the possession group with 1 extra possession
    Coaching Points
    • Possession team must play quick in tight area with good touch
    • Anticipate the next pass, be creative and deceptive, use a variety of touches and Feints – seek out best option
    • Defenders must apply pressure to the ball and support the pressure
    • Constant communication between the 2 and shifting of positions relative to the ball
    • If he defence plays flat, a through ball can beat them, thus, it is 1 player up and player 1 off
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    3 v. 1 to 5 v. 3 in a 20 x 15 yard area and a 10 x 10 yard area
    Start inside with 3 v. 1 playing 1 or 2 touch. When the 1 defender wins the ball, he plays out to the 4 outside players who play possession, now making it a 5 v. 3 game in the larger area.
    When the 1 defender in the middle wins the ball, he must quickly transition the ball to the outside players.
    The 3 in the middle must remain compact on defence and deny the through ball.
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    4 v. 2 in a 15 x 10 yard area playing with 1 goal with keeper
    The 3 outside plus the keeper play possession (1 or 2 touch) vs the 2 inside players – when the inside player wins the ball, he immediately takes a shot at goal.
    If the keeper makes a save, resume possession play. Keep extra balls available to keep the game going.
    Coaching Points
    • The possession group will focus on quick and accurate touches
    • The keeper plays as a field player and improves his skills with feet
    • The 2 inside players defend with the intent to win the ball and have an immediate shot at goal
    • Make teams and keep score – make it competitive – set a time limit to play
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    7 + keeper vs. 5 in 3 zones of 25 yards x 50 yards width
    The team of 5 plays to the goal with the keeper, while the team of 7 play to the small goals.
    The team of 5 must transition to gaol within 4 touches, while the team 7 + k must play 2 touch to the small goal
    Coaching Points
    • The team of 7 must open the field up with a good shape in order to keep possession
    • The team of 5, must stay compact in defence
    • Keeper plays with team of 7
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    4 v. 2 in 2 zones to 1 goal with keeper
    Play in an area of 20 x 30 yards (2 of each) .2 areas of 20 w x 15 l
    Play starts with 4 v 2 in a possession game – when the 2 inside players win the ball, they play 2 v. 1 to leave the zone and then play 2 v. 2 in the other zone trying to score a goal.
    The 2 waiting players are the defenders in the second zone – should they win the ball, they return it to the 4 players of the first zone and the original 2 inside players and defend.
    If a goal is scored, the scoring group remains in zone 2 and the other group goes to zone 1 and plays 4 v. 2
    Coaching Points
    • Possession team has only 1 aim: keep the ball
    • Defending 2 players must win the ball, win a 2 v. 1 duel, and then play 2 v. 2 and try to score
    • The 2 waiting players must defend and play out to the possession players
    • If they concede a goal, then they become the defenders in the first zone
    • Divide into groups of 4 and rotate the players into different positions
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    Training on the morning before a game and half time team talk
    Training on the morning of the game should concentrate on:
    1. A walk through of the tactics to be used in the game
    2. A 45 minute talk on the opponent concentrating on who to mark, how they play and who the main threats are in the defensive third. Players are then handed a file to read and told to sleep and allow information to become subconscious.
    3. Only the manager, physiotherapist and the assistant should be allowed in the dressing room before a game.
    This period is for players to visualise their own part in the performance. During this time Wenger will most challenge older players to take the lead on the pitch.
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    Half time team talk
    1. Point out psychological weakness
    2. Missed passes, tackles and shots
    3. Point out instances of lack of concentration
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    Wenger and Reflective coaching
    Wenger is a believer in reflective coaching and believes these are some of the most important questions a coach should ask:
    • Why do some players play well and other players play badly in certain games?
    • What is the organisation of the defence?
    • What is the structure and organisation of the team?
    • What would happen if different players were used in different positions or roles?
    • How can balance between the different elements of training, management and coaching be achieved?
    • Can training methods used in other sports be useful in football?
    • How can I build video match analysis into my own learning?
    • How can I make it clear to players why something needs to be done?
    • How can I put my ideas across quickly and simply?
    • What role do players and support staff play at the club?

    Wenger believes the coach should have the following core values:
    • Discipline
    • Mastery of words
    • Willingness to work hard
    • Respect others
    • Have confidence in others
    • Concentration
    • Attention to detail
    • Open to ideas/willingness to try new methods
    • Calmness
    • Loyalty
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    Performance analysis and transference drills
    Wenger uses performance analysis which is detail focused and includes the following points:
    • Ball speed during passing: Wenger defines fast ball speed during passing as a key to winning in the modern game; technical points aim to reduce the time from control to pass and then moving to receive a pass.
    • Passing direction: mainly measuring which players pass forward the most out a natural tendency as Wenger believes these are the ones who can be more easily moulded to play forward during the game.
    • Passing accuracy measuring: which passes and from where on the pitch they are most accurate and from which player, Wenger then aims to put that particular player in a situation where he can maximise his passing.
    • First touch analysing speed in opening body and moving the ball forward to enable passing forward.
    • Ball control: which players keep control under pressure in confined spaces, on the move and where in a players stride can a player keep maximal control when maintaining maximum pace allowing moves to be refined for maximum speed.
    • Physical capacity in each position: Wenger monitors the effect of age and training type on position specific qualities. Also used to evaluate which form of training after injury brought a player to peak faster and with better results. Used to measure work rate and pace of attacking moves. If this is not up to standard Wenger will work on specifics during training for example if a player is too slow on overlaps he will have the players perform timed agility runs as he believes individual elements detract from overall quality.
    • Shooting: Measuring shots on target, speed of ball, spin striking part of foot and speed from control to shot.
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    Nutrition and Weight Management
    Use a dietician to provide support on the player’s diet. Produce a handbook of what players can and can’t eat for home use by wives and families
    Base foods which make up diet

    1-cereal
    2-white cheese
    3-white meat
    4-pasta
    5-purees

    Outline clearly the benefits of every meal
    • All players and back room staff must eat the same meals
    • Use low fat products
    • Serve still water at room temperature
    • Cold drinks are bad for digestion
    • No smoking
    • Remove high sugar puddings
    • Eat more raw vegetables
    • No bread or butter with meals
    • No picking or snacking before meals

    Players should be weighed before each session body fat should be measured if the percentage is above 12 percent the player should be excluded from squad until the excess is worked off.
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    Player Management and Psychology
    Encourage players to ask why a drill or tactical exercise is useful and encourage them to want to learn why it is important to improve this side of their game, always ask questions of the players this enhances a player’s commitment to the training.

    Wenger stresses that commitment to thorough preparation is the base of success.
    To create a professional attitude Wenger insists that players to arrive 30mins before training to prepare mentally for the session.
    This ensures that players have a relaxed and calm attitude that Wenger insists is essential to effective training.
    Calmness should be combined with hard work and strict discipline.
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    Wenger’s three golden rules for training:
    1) Look out for each other on the pitch
    2) Keep a strong work ethic
    3) Pay attention to detail
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    Wenger’s affirmations
    Wenger is a big believer in psychology and shouts affirmations during training these are based on NLP and use techniques such as embedded commands.
    The aim is to motivate and empower the player to have confidence when in control of the ball.
    Wenger’s affirmations:
    • Play to your strength’s you will win
    • No success without sacrifice
    • Get hold of the ball and believe you can win
    • Remember the details work on the basics

    Wenger’s approach to team building is underpinned by communication, trust, confidence and self belief in the players own unique strengths when in possession of the ball.

    This process has three steps which are built around the psychological factors which Wenger believes most contribute to the result:
    1. General team cohesion encouraging a forward thinking mentality.
    2. Concentration as a defensive block.
    3. Refinement of individual strengths.

    Wenger Believes preparation is the key to success he sums this up with the following formulas (which are handed to players in the player handbook) focusing on what makes a team and the equation for selection for match play:

    The team formula= (1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11) x N N=the influence of the coach

    An under prepared player subtracts from the ability of the team therefore the role of the coach is to prepare the team and provide a transfer of confidence.

    Performance+ consistent effort in training=selection for the team
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    Wenger’s coaching behaviour
    Wenger’s coaching behaviour is based around the concept of simplicity and directness with players.
    Each player is handed a tactical role on the pitch which is documented as simply as possible, each players performance is then measured and documented.
    Wenger’s communication is kept simple and consistent focusing on coaching points delivered in an instructional manner. Wenger will deliver this in the players own language as this can increase the rapport and motivation of the player.
    The status of the player does not affect how direct Wenger is as he does not deviate from this formula as he believes every team member should be coached equally.
    Mistakes are not punished in training as Wenger believes this is only way to learn.
    Issues of discipline are only discussed face to face in private.
    Wenger uses unpredictability of mood as a weapon believing that loss of temper can take a player off guard but believes this should only be used 5 times per season.
    Wenger believes that strictness as a coach is the best way to build respect this quality is also imitated by the players. Wenger believes that players should have stints on the bench to keep them grounded and create humility.

    Daily training schedule and lesson structure
    Wenger requires his players his players to undertake the following daily schedule:

    • Warm ups are long focusing on games such as soccer tennis, Pilates all exercises are watched by fitness trainer. This then moved onto strength training.
    • Strength training consists of two isometric sessions which are performed in the normal day, one before and one after every normal training session.
    These sessions consist of isometrics divided into heavy and light muscle groups specific for performance, the focus is on mobility and strength.
    These exercises take place in the weight room and are overseen fitness specialist by use of a video system.
    To perform these exercise machines should be loaded to full to provide resistance in the form maximal effort.
    20 repetitions are used for heavy muscle groups and 12 reps for light might muscle groups, each rep is held for ten seconds. These are used as a form of injury rehabilitation or for strength training when there is an ability to focus on injury prevention as stress on the joints in minimised due to less reps of traditional strength exercises being useful. Isometrics are also useful for older players to maintain strength due to decreasing joint stability which comes with an increase in age.
    These should be performed after a basic strength program of six weeks.
    • Players then move on to training which is never more than 90minutes in duration.
    These training sessions are made up of a variety of training methods which are aimed at improving one tactical or technical theme through different periods of the game or in specific tactical situations.
    • Efficiency of game play is constantly improved with technique and coordination training focusing on minimising mistakes.
    • When introducing new concepts or methods to the group Wenger will do this during the first half of the training sessions when players are fresh and the method can be evaluated properly, if it works it is kept if not is discarded.
    • Players train first with variations of 4v4, 5v5, 6v6 or 7v7 small sided games with dual themes, 1v1 situations on goal will be worked on then progressed onto shooting games in constricted spaces.
    Patterns of play focusing on passing combinations which brake lines are also worked on.
    During these patterns players concentrate on the quality of technique the aim being to perform these patterns perfectly at high speeds.
    Games are played in constricted spaces to increase speed of thought. All drills are timed to the stopwatch and players are moved from drill to drill as fast possible.
    • Players then move onto practicing positional games based on practicing quick transitions.
    • Training then moves to tactical exercises, Wenger believes that only three tactical exercises aimed at improving team cohesion otherwise the team will be overloaded. Players will learn during these games what their role on the pitch is. 8 v 8 games with one goal focusing on cohesion between defence and midfield. 9 v0 games with one goal focusing on passing patterns from the defensive third, through the midfield third and into the attacking third ending with a shot on goal. 8 v. 8 exercises on two goals with two thirds of the field in use focusing on moving the ball forward through the midfield.
    • Players then move onto a long cool down and the second weight training routine.

    Wenger believes that training should be aimed at maximising individual player strengths and minimising weakness.
    Training should be conducted in serene surroundings as Wenger believes this distracts players from the thought of intense effort during practice allowing them to focus on quality in training.
    Wenger also uses this time in training to make assessments of each player’s value in terms of position if he believes his tests show more value for a position the player plays in he will redesign the player.


    AFAIK, training methods can lead to injuries if there is not sufficient strength and conditioning, which is up to the club but probably also partly up to the players.
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    (Original post by leinad2012)
    Yes, except that's not how retrospective bans work is it? Neither were injured so it's a completely different scenario. The ban would start from the next game and thus wouldn't matter, and if they postponed it til after injury you'd just say he's not injured when he is. You really are a dense **** sometimes aren't you
    Except your original point still is pretty irrelevant because you still see players who get booked/sent off when they are treates by the medical team or even when being stretchered off.

    And I'm sure FIFA, UEFA, and the FA would have some kind of system in place to guard against that kind of thing, what benefit does a club have from doing that by risking being found to actively cheat the system. It's no different from a player being inelegible to play in for example the first game of the next seasons Champions League with a ban carried over from the previous year. That said, I appreciate you calling me profanities, shows that you know you're argument doesn't hold too much weight and so you have to get a little bit #desperate.

    You'reso clearly trying to detract from the fact you know Wilshere should have banned for his headbutt, got fortunate that the ref missed it (but you don't mention it when complaining about other ref's decisions ofc) - even though you did somehow manage to lose that game.

    And if you were to not ban Wilshere for what he did because he got injured afterwards, then what is even the point giving him a booking etc in the first place?
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    (Original post by SA-1)
    Have you seen an Arsenal training session? Do you know which drills Wenger makes his team carry out?

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    Why is it then that in the 54 weeks Danny Welbeck has been an Arsenal player, he has missed more games through injury as an Arsenal player than he was the 7 years he was a pro at Man Utd?

    Ozil heard a crack in his knee, and yet still played through.

    Wenger's a danger to the players ffs.
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    (Original post by Lyrical Prodigy)
    But when we do do something about it we get bashed for turning it into a 'nanny state' :rolleyes: and by 'we' I mean 'I'. Isn't it The Shed End


    Disclaimer- That was said in jest calm down. Thread is gonna be cleaned up however
    If there are laws in real life, why shouldn't there be laws on the internet?
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    (Original post by shawn_o1)
    If there are laws in real life, why shouldn't there be laws on the internet?
    Not discussing it here, doing as much as we can
 
 
 
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