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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Completely fit all season, 30 goals all comps was achievable imo. It's only really now people are starting to see his value tbh. He's a great attacking alternative. He creates a nice Salt n Pepper combo with Alexis or Welbz
    I assumed you meant league, all comps is pretty random because you have no idea how many games you are going to play.
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Wasn't it Sev... who had the 30 goals for Giroud in his sig this season?

    I think Lambert and Balotelli as signings go to show how inept Rodgers actually is, they are entirely different strikers to Sturridge, you've pretty much got to change the way the team plays when you change the striker. Someone like Remy or even Welbeck would have been a better option.
    Well tbf they went for Remy but didn't want to take the risk with his medical problem as they already have one injury prone striker, and they were never getting Welbeck.
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    (Original post by Fideo)
    Well tbf they went for Remy but didn't want to take the risk with his medical problem as they already have one injury prone striker, and they were never getting Welbeck.
    Yh but there should of been another target that would fit us, Balotelli was a major panic buy. Lambert was only £4m and always going to be a backup plan and 3rd/4th choice striker so fair enough on him but not finding a suitable alternative was criminal.
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    I assumed you meant league, all comps is pretty random because you have no idea how many games you are going to play.
    30 goals is the league is way too far fetched. At the start of the season I did think Arsenal would start strong improving our attacking play which leads to more goals plus be within 6 points of the leaders and still be in the league cup.
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    (Original post by Fideo)
    Well tbf they went for Remy but didn't want to take the risk with his medical problem as they already have one injury prone striker, and they were never getting Welbeck.
    Perhaps with Welbeck. I don't really buy the Remy story tbh. He's managed to pass medicals at other clubs, Chelsea who are very financially astute due to FFP, and £10.5m that's nothing in terms of the money Rodgers has spunked over the last few years. If he was Falcao money then maybe.
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Perhaps with Welbeck. I don't really buy the Remy story tbh. He's managed to pass medicals at other clubs, Chelsea who are very financially astute due to FFP, and £10.5m that's nothing in terms of the money Rodgers has spunked over the last few years. If he was Falcao money then maybe.
    Well why would they have a medical and then decide to pull out? They obviously found something during the medical and decide they didn't want to take the risk. There's a reason why Arsenal didn't go for him either.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    Well why would they have a medical and then decide to pull out? They obviously found something during the medical and decide they didn't want to take the risk. There's a reason why Arsenal didn't go for him either.
    Chelsea also didn't buy him to be first choice, they brought him in as back up. So they may have been more prepared to take the risk as they knew he was never going to be a regular starter for them.
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Perhaps with Welbeck. I don't really buy the Remy story tbh. He's managed to pass medicals at other clubs, Chelsea who are very financially astute due to FFP, and £10.5m that's nothing in terms of the money Rodgers has spunked over the last few years. If he was Falcao money then maybe.
    What happen wrt the Remy deal is that Brendan got wind that Balo could be available so he pulled the plug. Brendan though he could "fix" Balo just like he "fixed" Suarez. A couple of month down the line Liverpool are enduring their worst start for 50 years and he hasn't scored any goals or assisted in 730 consecutive minutes in the league.
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    What happen wrt the Remy deal is that Brendan got wind that Balo could be available so he pulled the plug. Brendan though he could "fix" Balo just like he "fixed" Suarez. A couple of month down the line Liverpool are enduring their worst start for 50 years and he hasn't scored any goals or assisted in 730 consecutive minutes in the league.
    Source? Or is that a made up story to just criticise Rodgers?
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    (Original post by samir12)
    Well why would they have a medical and then decide to pull out? They obviously found something during the medical and decide they didn't want to take the risk. There's a reason why Arsenal didn't go for him either.
    Doubt there's a medical problem tbh, Harry came out a few days later saying there's never been a problem.

    "He had a stringent medical here, one at Newcastle, one with the French team before the World Cup. He's never had a problem with his fitness - you couldn't meet a fitter lad."

    Remy has never been good enough ability wise to play for Arsenal. Don't you think Wenger was aware of him during his Remy's youth career at Lyon, France Youth NT and then since afterwards when everybody was calling Remy the next Thierry Henry? If Wenger wanted him he'd at Arsenal he could have taken him at any time
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Doubt there's a medical problem tbh, Harry came out a few days later saying there's never been a problem.

    "He had a stringent medical here, one at Newcastle, one with the French team before the World Cup. He's never had a problem with his fitness - you couldn't meet a fitter lad.

    Remy has never been good enough ability wise to play for Arsenal. Don't you think Wenger was aware of him during his Remy's youth career at Lyon, France Youth NT and then since afterwards when everybody was calling Remy the next Thierry Henry? If Wenger wanted him he'd at Arsenal he could have taken him at any time
    It wasn't about fitness or injury concerns though, it was more to do with his heart which was why Liverpool didn't want to take a risk on it. He had problems with the medical when he transferred from Nice to Marseille due to his heart. Not every club has the same medical requirements, some are more strict than others.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    Well why would they have a medical and then decide to pull out? They obviously found something during the medical and decide they didn't want to take the risk. There's a reason why Arsenal didn't go for him either.
    Its well know he's got a heart defect. The question being how has he managed to pass multiple medicals if its such a big issue, plenty of people have benign defects. I wasn't aware he had a medical at Arsenal, I knew they pulled out of the deal but I don't it got to that stage.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    Source? Or is that a made up story to just criticise Rodgers?
    (Original post by samir12)
    It wasn't about fitness or injury concerns though, it was more to do with his heart which was why Liverpool didn't want to take a risk on it. He had problems with the medical when he transferred from Nice to Marseille due to his heart. Not every club has the same medical requirements, some are more strict than others.
    There no source but it has been mentioned here and there. I think it the most logical situation too

    Balo at £16M was probably is seen as a low risk signing by the transfer committee like many LFC supporters said after you signed him. He was a young potentially world class marquee bargain that would have helped fill the void that Suarez left. And like I said Rogers probably thought he could genuinely get Balo playing regular consistent football based on the work he did with Suarez.

    (Original post by samir12)
    It wasn't about fitness or injury concerns though, it was more to do with his heart which was why Liverpool didn't want to take a risk on it. He had problems with the medical when he transferred from Nice to Marseille due to his heart. Not every club has the same medical requirements, some are more strict than others.
    Liverpool never gave any explanation as to why the medical failed although Remy did have this to say

    "I came for the medical tests and everything was fine and after that they wanted to be sure everything was fine with my heart. They asked for a specialist for the heart and apparently the guy said they did not 100 per cent agree if I could keep going or had to stop football.

    "I didn't understand because they knew before I came. I just told my agent if it is not happening it is because it is not for me.

    "There are a lot of players with the same case as me. I don't know why the people think it is a big thing that can stop me playing football. I was more confused by Liverpool saying that I had medical problem because it is not fair. I have seen the best specialist in London and he has told me I can still play so it was not good from them.

    "Even if they don't want to sign me, okay, but they don't have to put that in the newspapers because, then, all the other clubs after are afraid."

    Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...d-medical.html
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    (Original post by sevchenko)
    There no source but it has been mentioned here and there. I think it the most logical situation too

    Balo at £16M was probably is seen as a low risk signing by the transfer committee like many LFC supporters said after you signed him. He was a young potentially world class marquee bargain that would have helped fill the void that Suarez left. And like I said Rogers probably thought he could genuinely get Balo playing regular consistent football based on the work he did with Suarez.



    Liverpool never gave any explanation as to why the medical failed although Remy did have this to say

    "I came for the medical tests and everything was fine and after that they wanted to be sure everything was fine with my heart. They asked for a specialist for the heart and apparently the guy said they did not 100 per cent agree if I could keep going or had to stop football.

    "I didn't understand because they knew before I came. I just told my agent if it is not happening it is because it is not for me.

    "There are a lot of players with the same case as me. I don't know why the people think it is a big thing that can stop me playing football. I was more confused by Liverpool saying that I had medical problem because it is not fair. I have seen the best specialist in London and he has told me I can still play so it was not good from them.

    "Even if they don't want to sign me, okay, but they don't have to put that in the newspapers because, then, all the other clubs after are afraid."

    Source: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...d-medical.html
    Why did Rodgers come out and say he was not going to sign Balotelli beforehand than? If he really wanted him, why did he throw him under the bus with all the "he was a risk signing" comments and why didn't he pursue him earlier in the window?

    Was it him or the transfer commitee that wanted the move? What Remy said just basically confrmed that they pulled out because of what Liverpools heart specialist said.
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    (Original post by samir12)
    Why did Rodgers come out and say he was not going to sign Balotelli beforehand than? If he really wanted him, why did he throw him under the bus with all the "he was a risk signing" comments and why didn't he pursue him earlier in the window?

    Was it him or the transfer commitee that wanted the move? What Remy said just basically confrmed that they pulled out because of what Liverpools heart specialist said.
    Balo probably wasn't available earlier in the window because Milan wanted to recoup the money they spent on him. Raiola (Balo's agent) was drumming up interest all summer. In the end Inzaghi and Berlusconi decided to cut their losses and just get rid.

    It seems to me they just used Remy's heart condition as a reason to cancel the deal. If Rogers really wanted him he would have overlooked the condition tbh his condition hasn't really affected Remy at all. A deal for Balo appeared so Rogers went for the better option
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    What's with this transfer committee nonsense anyway? Obviously Liverpool have long term issues with transfer strategy, or lack thereof, so how is sticking another few heads into the brain trust going to help things run smoother? We've seen it time and time again, with Spurs and their director of football, with Abrahimovic at Chelsea, the manager needs complete control and final say over who comes and goes from a football club, otherwise youve all kinds of mixed up incentives and ideas.


    Came out recently that LFC even offered a few million on top of what we did for Sanchez but he said no. So presumably youre after a proactive, hard working forward who can attack with intensity and take over from Suarez. How then does Balotelli enter into the picture? He's a million miles away from that, may as well get big Andy Carroll back.You wouldnt trust Liverpool to head down to Sainsbury's for a pint of milk and come back with change from a tenner, or the milk, at this stage. :rolleyes:

    On the subject of Brendan Rodgers' 'football philosophy', why does nobody bring up the fact in his initial season and at Swansea, he played passing keep ball football and continued with this well into last season? Only when Suarez really took off playing direct, pacey football and when Sturridge and Stirling joined in did he abandon it all. So in fact BR's entire success is based upon the players leading him down that alley, whether he had any say in it is anyone's guess but I suspect it was mainly Suarez. So where does that leave him now, playing the failed keep ball stuff again or continuing with the fast and direct stuff? Does Brendan even know himself? Obviously not from the players he signed.

    You look at Liverpool now and you a see a team with less idea tactically then you did under Kenny K imho.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
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    tbf LFC did just have a director of football in Damien Comolli from 2010-12
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    Still cannot believe we spent £16m on Mario ****ing Balotelli. At no stage during the summer did I even remotely want us to go in for him but I didn't think he'd be this bad. I'd be interested to hear what kind of wages he's on.
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    Wasn't it Sev... who had the 30 goals for Giroud in his sig this season?

    I think Lambert and Balotelli as signings go to show how inept Rodgers actually is, they are entirely different strikers to Sturridge, you've pretty much got to change the way the team plays when you change the striker. Someone like Remy or even Welbeck would have been a better option.
    Yeah true. Lambert was being bought as a backup regardless, he was essentially an upgrade on Aspas and Borini so it's not that poor a signing, Balotelli I felt wasn't the most overwhelming of signing but would do ok for the value he was bought for.

    Seems like I was wrong.
    (Original post by sevchenko)
    Completely fit all season, 30 goals all comps was achievable imo. It's only really now people are starting to see his value tbh. He's a great attacking alternative. He creates a nice Salt n Pepper combo with Alexis or Welbz
    Salt and pepper is **** you gotta use proper seasoning like Maggi.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    On the subject of Brendan Rodgers' 'football philosophy', why does nobody bring up the fact in his initial season and at Swansea, he played passing keep ball football and continued with this well into last season? Only when Suarez really took off playing direct, pacey football and when Sturridge and Stirling joined in did he abandon it all. So in fact BR's entire success is based upon the players leading him down that alley, whether he had any say in it is anyone's guess but I suspect it was mainly Suarez. So where does that leave him now, playing the failed keep ball stuff again or continuing with the fast and direct stuff? Does Brendan even know himself? Obviously not from the players he signed.

    You look at Liverpool now and you a see a team with less idea tactically then you did under Kenny K imho.
    Tbh Sturridge was the main man for Liverpool, the second Liverpool bought him results improved drastically. They took off playing direct to make the most of Sturridge. Suarez was still scoring some goals when they were doing death by football but the rest of the team had nowhere enough creativity, Suarez ain't as fast as Sturridge so you're not going to get many direct runs especially as Suarez likes to play off the striker rather than as main striker (exact same reason why he's struggling at Barca atm) but Sturridge's runs gave Suarez space.

    Tbh Suarez should have gone Real Madrid and he should have taken Sturridge with him. Suarez, Ronaldo, Bale and Sturridge would be ridiculous firepower. Probably better than their current team tbh.
 
 
 
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