There is no evidence for God

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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    The deduction that there is an engine in a car that drives is analogous to that there is a God if you read the scripture and observe human behavior. Humans require biblical scripture like a car requires an engine, it is enriching, and there's a reason that it is.

    I find that the belief that there is no higher power requires more evidence than that there is one. If there is no God, then why is there beauty and order in nature? How is it that we can write Physics equations, where did the fundamental constants come from? This is not a God of the gaps. The equations are determined, there is order and therefore there is a God.
    Your initial paragraph is trite nonsense. You second is just nonsense.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Your initial paragraph is trite nonsense. You second is just nonsense.
    Why do you suppose our ancestors built all these churches and cathedrals? So that we could kindle a fire more easily?
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    The deduction that there is an engine in a car that drives is analogous to that there is a God if you read the scripture and observe human behavior. Humans require biblical scripture like a car requires an engine, it is enriching, and there's a reason that it is.

    I find that the belief that there is no higher power requires more evidence than that there is one. If there is no God, then why is there beauty and order in nature? How is it that we can write Physics equations, where did the fundamental constants come from? This is not a God of the gaps. The equations are determined, there is order and therefore there is a God.
    Take pi. Why would God create such an vital and yet ugly number?

    There is a certain naivety about people who hold views such as the ones you express here. Not something I can relate to at all.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Take pi. Why would God create such an vital and yet ugly number?

    There is a certain naivety about people who hold views such as the ones you express here. Not something I can relate to at all.
    It's only ugly when expressed in decimal notation. This is quite beautiful:

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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    Why do you suppose our ancestors built all these churches and cathedrals? So that we could kindle a fire more easily?
    To demonstrate the wealth and the power of the church, which helped to continue its domination over the ignorant and poor masses, and send out a challenge to the monarch (which latter wasn't taken up until the reformation).
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    To demonstrate the wealth and the power of the church, which helped to continue its domination over the ignorant and poor masses, and send out a challenge to the monarch (which latter wasn't taken up until the reformation).
    It is a wonder to me how an ignorant doctrine could acquire wealth and power.
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    It is a wonder to me how an ignorant doctrine could acquire wealth and power.
    Wonder no more: the church took a tenth of everyone's income. It was called a tithe.
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    (Original post by D3LLI5)
    Why would an all powerful, all knowing God need to do a test? Even if he did, surely all revelation will have done is make the easily gulled not participate properly in the test?
    Humans are given the ability to make their own decisions some good and some bad. The good deeds will be rewarded and ofc the bad deeds would be punished. The revelation explains how to live a perfect life and avoid sins, guide the misguided as well as be a go to for when unsure of something.

    Now, I'm not a scholar or anything, actually tbh I'm not even that religious. But, I do know that God definitely exists.

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    As an atheist I find these threads dumb
    You're an atheist too, no one cares

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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    It's only ugly when expressed in decimal notation. This is quite beautiful:

    But that is what it is...
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    But that is what it is...
    That depends on how big a ship you're building.
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    That depends on how big a ship you're building.
    2 of each species, not so big...
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    2 of each species, not so big...
    Reading scripture requires looking past the contradictions. If I told you that dogs are canines and that canines have fangs. Then you find a dead dog without a fang, would you throw away the scripture that tells you that dogs are canines? Or would you deduce that a dog lost its tooth somehow?
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    Reading scripture requires looking past the contradictions. If I told you that dogs are canines and that canines have fangs. Then you find a dead dog without a fang, would you throw away the scripture that tells you that dogs are canines? Or would you deduce that a dog lost its tooth somehow?
    Are you claiming that Noah removed the animals' teeth so that he could cram more of them into his boat?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Are you claiming that Noah removed the animals' teeth so that he could cram more of them into his boat?
    I'm claiming that his interpretation of "all species" is in congruence with his knowledge of the scale of the Earth at that time.
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    I'm claiming that his interpretation of "all species" is in congruence with his knowledge of the scale of the Earth at that time.
    And there was me thinking he was merely repeating the nonsense the Bible tells us. Are you claiming Earth was somehow larger or smaller in those days?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    And there was me thinking he was merely repeating the nonsense the Bible tells us. Are you claiming Earth was somehow larger or smaller in those days?
    I'm claiming that he had a very limited knowledge of the true scale of the earth but probably a vast knowledge of the various species of his locality.
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    I'm claiming that he had a very limited knowledge of the true scale of the earth but probably a vast knowledge of the various species of his locality.
    Well, I don't know about you but I'd expect an omnipotent god (especially an aggressive, and vengeful one like yours), when telling someone to take two of every kind of animal, to mean two of every kind of animal, and that the transport manager would be expected to research how many animals (and of what type) that meant.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Well, I don't know about you but I'd expect an omnipotent god (especially an aggressive, and vengeful one like yours), when telling someone to take two of every kind of animal, to mean two of every kind of animal, and that the transport manager would be expected to research how many animals (and of what type) that meant.
    If we're going to be technically pedantic then I can contradict the entire notion of collecting every animal. Bacteria from the deep caverns of the other side of the world would be very difficult to collect. Where exactly do you expect your pedantry to take you?
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    (Original post by Mistletoe)
    Where exactly do you expect your pedantry to take you?
    Well, at least as far as pointing out that bacteria are not animals, obviously.
 
 
 
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