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    (Original post by Becca-Sarah)
    Instantly? Mine is slowly building to that, I think.
    No, but £500 guaranteed at opening. Do you have to build up to a larger overdraft over time? I've never had a student account and have always refused an overdraft on my normal account. I don't know how these things work. I'm opening one at Barclays tomorrow and they said it's a £200 OD at opening and can be extended to £2000 but he didn't say anything about it taking time - I got the impression I just ask for the £2000 OD and they'll give it to me.
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    (Original post by Penguinsaysquack)
    All I know is our module is called cardiorespiratory at the moment and we're covering the blood in basics etc so including the clotting cascade and did anaemia for the previous PBL.
    Haematology again :grumble::p:
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    PBL is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
    Have you not benefited from it?
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    PBL is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    PBL is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite
    I think, when done well, it's very good. But it's so low yield -- having to go to the sources yourself and synthesise the information rather than having it all there on a lecture -- that to cover the same amount of information as someone on a lecture-based course, you'd need to spend another two years doing the degree.
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    (Original post by SMed)
    No, but £500 guaranteed at opening. Do you have to build up to a larger overdraft over time? I've never had a student account and have always refused an overdraft on my normal account. I don't know how these things work. I'm opening one at Barclays tomorrow and they said it's a £200 OD at opening and can be extended to £2000 but he didn't say anything about it taking time - I got the impression I just ask for the £2000 OD and they'll give it to me.
    Mine started at £500 for the first year, and then there were incremental increases each academic year that I could ask for, so it's currently on it's third year level of £1750 or something cos I don't think I've got round to asking for this years increase. By fifth year it'll be £3000 - goodness knows what happens in sixth year.
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    (Original post by xXxBaby-BooxXx)
    Haematology again :grumble::p:
    I wonder though if they're in the one bundle because anaemia can present with shortness of breath on exertion, in a similar manner to both heart failure and many different lung diseases (classically COPD) can. Whenever I get a patient complaining of shortness of breath, the little phrase "cardio, resp, anaemia" goes through my head!

    Or maybe the medical school couldn't fit haematology into anywhere else
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    (Original post by Becca-Sarah)
    Mine started at £500 for the first year, and then there were incremental increases each academic year that I could ask for, so it's currently on it's third year level of £1750 or something cos I don't think I've got round to asking for this years increase. By fifth year it'll be £3000 - goodness knows what happens in sixth year.
    OIC.
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    (Original post by rumandraisin)
    How does your guys PBL work? It seems that it is quite different from ours? Like one of you mentioned having a PBL on palpation? How can a whole PBL be on just one topic? Or am i just reading things wrong:confused:

    (Original post by Penguinsaysquack)
    I'm at BL and what we've done so far is have scenarios whereby the patient will have a certain condition etc and the PBL will be based around that.

    So for example the one in 8 hours is haemophilia, (well haemophilia A for this patient) so we set learning objectives so that we research and study about haemophilia signs and symptoms, pathophysiology and genetics as well as also the clotting cascade in general.

    Depends on the PBL but normally it seems it's one disease but covering a topic that's been mentioned in lectures..

    Hows it done with you?
    Well Sheffield doesn't really have a PBL course. We call it an "Integrated Learning Activity". I was being a bit too specific. We get a patient with a certain condition (Chest pain, Leg pain) to come in and discuss his/her condition to us. Then we set learning objectives and read up on them e.g.

    • to describe the pathogenesis of atherosclerosis
    • to describe the pathophysiology of myocardial infarction

    We have already had lectures on all of these topics so we are using the ILA session to collaborate between our group members and fill the gaps of knowledge. We get this once every 2 weeks.

    (Original post by Penguinsaysquack)
    So you do PBLs more on signs and symptoms than a specific disease? :dontknow:

    A whole day off???
    What is this nonsense...
    Wish I could have a day off.. but at least can relax(ish) with a rowing outing on wednesday afternoon followed by tables

    Haha. Well this Wednesday we have a clinical attachment at the Northern General Hospital between 9-5. Obviously we can't have 240 first-years in the building so we split into groups to do this. Which = me getting a day off :woo:
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    (Original post by Fission_Mailed)
    The exams are just on this semester, fortunately. I'm not normally this tired, but my medication is ****ing up my ability to stay awake somewhat.
    I'm sorry to hear that I think it would be a good idea to talk about this to your tutor. I hope you do really well and I'm sure you will as you're quite bright, but if anything were to happen in the exam period then your tutor could speak on your behalf to the exam commitee and let them know you were having issues beforehand and did let someone know about it. Because for us, it makes quite a difference if we tell someone before the exam than come forward with mitigating circumstances after the exam especially in regards to being allowed to resit the year. I hope you never have to experience this, but do keep it in the back of your mind as a safety net.

    (Original post by crazylemon)
    I understand the shape my problem is analysis of. So everything from AF to LVH to RBBB and beyond is my current goal.

    WHAT FUN

    Aww I like ECGs. Unfortunately the cardiovascular module doesn't nearly come up in exams as much as I'd like. The ECG made easy book as suggested previously is really helpful, but have you formed a method to read ECGs? Like be able to recognise a normal one then recognise abnormal. For example: on any ECG, first work out if its regular/irregular, rate, sinus rhythm etc. Then know your PR, RR, QRS intervals for a normal ECG.

    I remember learning arrythmias as how the ECG looks, so first p wave - absence of p waves, if wave is peaked/depressed. Could point to atrial hypertrophy, atrial enlargement, atrial flutter/fibrillation.

    Then move onto what abnormal PR interval could mean - 1st degree AV block is a consistent long PR interval in each beat, but no other abnormality. So rate is constant each time as is rhythm. And so on.

    Found this ppt online, although its far more detailed than our lecture!
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    (Original post by Vulpes)
    Well Sheffield doesn't really have a PBL course. We call it an "Integrated Learning Activity". I was being a bit too specific. We get a patient with a certain condition (Chest pain, Leg pain) to come in and discuss his/her condition to us. Then we set learning objectives and read up on them e.g.

    • to describe the pathogenesis of atherosclerosis
    • to describe the pathophysiology of myocardial infarction

    We have already had lectures on all of these topics so we are using the ILA session to collaborate between our group members and fill the gaps of knowledge. We get this once every 2 weeks.
    Same, Leicester has the same format for our groupwork sessions and we have a set of clinical case studies and someone to supervise us - this could be a junior doctor, clinical academic, module leader etc. Only difference is the learning objectives are already set and the lecture/groupwork/private study sessions are to ensure we fulfill the learning objectives. And we have groupwork every day and our dissection sessions are in the same groups too.

    Do you stay with the same group? We stay with ours for the entirety of Phase 1, our group was pretty awesome.
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    (Original post by Supermassive_muse_fan)
    Same, Leicester has the same format for our groupwork sessions and we have a set of clinical case studies and someone to supervise us - this could be a junior doctor, clinical academic, module leader etc. Only difference is the learning objectives are already set and the lecture/groupwork/private study sessions are to ensure we fulfill the learning objectives. And we have groupwork every day and our dissection sessions are in the same groups too.

    Do you stay with the same group? We stay with ours for the entirety of Phase 1, our group was pretty awesome.
    Yep. At least until the end of this academic year.
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    (Original post by carcinoma)
    Have you not benefited from it?
    We went over this a few months back!!

    But....I think the two most productive things I ever did as a medical student were to read the OHCM in first year and then again cover to cover in third year, gave me such a solid foundation to work on and revising for the USMLE Step 1 (essentially forced me to sit down and plug all those huge PBL sized holes in my preclinical knowledge)
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    (Original post by Kinkerz)
    I think, when done well, it's very good. But it's so low yield -- having to go to the sources yourself and synthesise the information rather than having it all there on a lecture -- that to cover the same amount of information as someone on a lecture-based course, you'd need to spend another two years doing the degree.
    The big bad world out there where you have to read and think...
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    (Original post by Wangers)
    The big bad world out there where you have to read and think...
    I like self-directed learning; it's useful and can be enjoyable. It's just very time consuming if you do it properly. It's much easier for a lecturer to do the leg work for you.

    (Original post by digitalis)
    But....I think the two most productive things I ever did as a medical student were to read the OHCM in first year and then again cover to cover in third year, gave me such a solid foundation to work on and revising for the USMLE Step 1 (essentially forced me to sit down and plug all those huge PBL sized holes in my preclinical knowledge)
    I'm half contemplating doing a bit of USMLE stuff. But I imagine doing it without the motivation of sitting the exam would probably not be conducive.
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    (Original post by Wangers)
    The big bad world out there where you have to read and think...
    That is a scary place
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    (Original post by crazylemon)
    I understand the shape my problem is analysis of. So everything from AF to LVH to RBBB and beyond is my current goal.
    As SMF has already said, it's useful to have a system in place that you can go through. I do rate, rhythm, are P waves present, is PR interval ok?, what's the axis, do the Q waves change to R waves between v2 and v5?, Is there any st elevation/depression, does anything else look a bit odd?

    Axis for the bundle branch blocks, used to confuse me no end until I learnt: Left= Leaving (I is +, II is -) Right = Reaching (I is -, II is +).
    LVH you get by adding the no. of squares the Q/R wave from v2 +v5 together and it shouldn't be over I think 40.
    ST elevation is the one you don't want to miss as it = MI that you can do PCI on. ST depression could be NSTEMI or angina or other stuff.
    I still get confused between atrial fibrilation (bag of worms, myocytes going whenever they feel like, no discernible pattern) and atrial flutter (saw tooth, normally has a pattern of 2 or 3 to 1 QRS, one of the pacemakers (SA node?) isn't getting supressed)

    (Original post by Kinkerz)
    I think, when done well, it's very good. But it's so low yield -- having to go to the sources yourself and synthesise the information rather than having it all there on a lecture -- that to cover the same amount of information as someone on a lecture-based course, you'd need to spend another two years doing the degree.
    I found that lectures took forever to get going and I could read twice the amount in the same time. We had access to the normal 5 year courses lectures but tbh it was just easier reading it up in the books. However, I'm glad I've finished with PBL and only had it for one year.

    (Original post by Becca-Sarah)
    Mine started at £500 for the first year, and then there were incremental increases each academic year that I could ask for, so it's currently on it's third year level of £1750 or something cos I don't think I've got round to asking for this years increase. By fifth year it'll be £3000 - goodness knows what happens in sixth year.
    My Natwest started with £1250, and I asked for it to go up to £1750 last year after a very long phone call. I'm not sure what I could get it up to in 5th year as it'll be my 7th year as a student
    (Original post by Supermassive_muse_fan)
    Only difference is the learning objectives are already set and the lecture/groupwork/private study sessions are to ensure we fulfill the learning objectives. And we have groupwork every day and our dissection sessions are in the same groups too.

    Do you stay with the same group? We stay with ours for the entirety of Phase 1, our group was pretty awesome.
    Sounds horrible if you don't like your group!
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    (Original post by Kinkerz)
    I'm half contemplating doing a bit of USMLE stuff. But I imagine doing it without the motivation of sitting the exam would probably not be conducive.
    Meh, can't do you any harm. Depends how ****ed you can be to learn preclinical stuff.
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    Meh, can't do you any harm. Depends how ****ed you can be to learn preclinical stuff.
    I want to go (back) to America at some point. But I don't think you really appreciate how not ****ed I can be to learn preclinical stuff.
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    (Original post by SMed)
    I want to go (back) to America at some point. But I don't think you really appreciate how not ****ed I can be to learn preclinical stuff.
    Just do it, even if you have the slightest inclination. This is the time to do it when things are still fresh and you have spare time. I know like an F1 who is struggling to find time to do Step 1 and an ST1 who is paying 6000 pounds to Kaplan to enrol in a course.
 
 
 
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