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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    Number 2: It could work well as long as you have pace on the wings, which you do in Walcott, Ox and possibly a new signing. Fab has played there with Iniesta in behind, that's similar to having Ozil in behind.

    4-2-2-2 worked for City with similar players in Silva and Nasri. Also if Fabregas plays as one of the front 2, that leaves space for Walcott to play in the AM 2 and provide some pace and width.

    Wenger dun goofed
    Do City play 4222 though? It's more of a 4132.

    (Original post by baconbutty)
    A dm isn't the reason arsenal kept getting spanked don't tell me you buy in to this dm *******s I suggest you go back and take a look at the goals conceded. Why do arsenal need a dm away but seem to manage fine at home I'll give you a clue is starts with tac and ends with tics. Fabregas was a cheap world class midfielder who wanted to play for the club and could easily of been accommodated.
    This.

    People making me agree with butty. FML.
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    Several ways. You could play a 4-3-3 with them as the three. That way it doesn't matter that you don't have a DM as you have three in the middle so it's more solid defensively than 2.

    You could continue with the 4-2-3-1 and have Fabregas as a false 9.

    You could play 4-2-2-2 with Ramsey in the deep two, Ozil in the attacking mid two and Fab either in the attacking mid two or in the striking two.

    Anyway, you're Arsenal, one of them will be injured for a while.
    Good luck to Arsenal for their big game hammering goals of 2015.

    Fabregas never really worked as a false 9 in truth, I'd prefer to just spend the cash on an actual 9 with a proven record.
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    (Original post by De Chirico)
    If you're acknowledging that our tactics were the reason we got spanked, you'll agree we need a more defensive overall approach away from home against the big teams. Soak up pressure better and counter attack with Ozil and pace out wide. So we need to sign a midfielder who is suited to playing defensively. Not Fabregas.
    It's got nothing to do with playing defensively it just involves not doing suicide attacking tactics. A balanced approach. Explain to me why 8 players are ahead of play 10 minutes in vs chelsea at Stamford bridge and we get slaughtered but the team plays cautiously at the emirates and gets a result. It has absolutely nothing to do with a DM it's just awful tactics. What difference would a dm of made to the goals conceded vs city, Liverpool? Fabregas could easily of played artetas/flaminis role to a much higher
    Level. I don't see why he wouldn't fit a counter attacking plan as well he would excel releasing runners from deep on the counter
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    Number 2: It could work well as long as you have pace on the wings, which you do in Walcott, Ox and possibly a new signing. Fab has played there with Iniesta in behind, that's similar to having Ozil in behind.

    4-2-2-2 worked for City with similar players in Silva and Nasri. Also if Fabregas plays as one of the front 2, that leaves space for Walcott to play in the AM 2 and provide some pace and width.

    Wenger dun goofed
    We need more pace in the team anyway. Easier to keep our current setup and just add a pacy attacker or two, surely? Ozil is the perfect player to quickly transition the ball to runners on the wings so give him free reign in the middle. Wenger is obviously building the team around Ozil.

    I just can't see a 4-2-2-2 working with the players we have. Again, it would involve changing the way the team has been playing all season. I want to see the same system with improvements in a few key areas.
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    (Original post by 419)
    Do City play 4222 though? It's more of a 4132.
    Not so much any more, they did in 11-12 and 12-13 though

    (Original post by Zürich)
    Good luck to Arsenal for their big game hammering goals of 2015.

    Fabregas never really worked as a false 9 in truth, I'd prefer to just spend the cash on an actual 9 with a proven record.
    Could hardly be much worse than it was this season

    What actual 9? Mandzukic?
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    Not so much any more, they did in 11-12 and 12-13 though
    So you're telling me that Yaya and his 20 goals plays a deep role?
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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    It's got nothing to do with playing defensively it just involves not doing suicide attacking tactics. A balanced approach. Explain to me why 8 players are ahead of play 10 minutes in vs chelsea at Stamford bridge and we get slaughtered but the team plays cautiously at the emirates and gets a result. It has absolutely nothing to do with a DM it's just awful tactics. What difference would a dm of made to the goals conceded vs city, Liverpool? Fabregas could easily of played artetas/flaminis role to a much higher
    Level. I don't see why he wouldn't fit a counter attacking plan as well he would excel releasing runners from deep on the counter
    Explain to me why literally every top team in Europe plays with a DM then?

    It's not so much a DM, but a player who can provide energy and running. May as well throw in the towel playing Ozil and Cazorla together in big games, throw in Cesc into the mix and we have a bigger **** up
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Explain to me why literally every top team in Europe plays with a DM then?

    It's not so much a DM, but a player who can provide energy and running. May as well throw in the towel playing Ozil and Cazorla together in big games, throw in Cesc into the mix and we have a bigger **** up
    Every big team don't play with a dm
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    (Original post by 419)
    So you're telling me that Yaya and his 20 goals plays a deep role?
    In 11-12 and 12-13 he played deeper than Silva and Nasri, yes. He didn't score 20 goals in those seasons, he scored 6.
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    Not so much any more, they did in 11-12 and 12-13 though



    Could hardly be much worse than it was this season

    What actual 9? Mandzukic?
    I like Mandzukic, think he's pretty underrated and is not far off Dzeko's level. But he's not flashy or explosive so people want someone like Balotelli. Other than those 2 I see **** all on the horizon in terms of so called top strikers. Giroud gets too much stick though, when he's fresh he's better than anything we're likely to sign so we just need to ensure some depth to maintain his top form. Remy/Bony sort of the nest tier, probably more realistic.

    So few strikers around, every ****ing player in Europe these days seems to be a CAM these days
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    (Original post by Fizzel)
    I wonder how Cesc feels about it all? He's been utterly used by Barca and discarded. I wonder if he knew how it all ended whether he'd have left Arsenal in the first place. He didn't even disguise the fact Chelsea were the best offer he could find not the one he wanted. He must be dreading facing either Arsenal or Barca seeing his dream club and facing Wenger and the club that truly loved him.


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    I don't think he'll be too perturbed by it. He's always done what's best for number one throughout his career- from leaving Barca for us, forcing a move back to Barca, flirting with United last year and now this. He'll probably fell like he's got a chip on his shoulder and has people to prove wrong- given Mourinho's motivational prowess, it makes a peril situation even more worrisome.
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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    Every big team don't play with a dm
    City and Bayern dont usually these days but even then City play with 2 tanks who provide enough physicality to compensate, even then Javi Garcia plays often enough too. Bayern play Schweinsteiger who can play as DM as well and then they have Javi Martinez. Kroos, Muller, Gotze press like hell as well so they've got other Aces to play.

    Wenger's sort of gone for the Alonso/Schweinsteiger deep lying CM instead of a DM but Arteta is pony so we're left with Aaron Ramsey being relied on to provide all the energy and power for us. Ozil/Cazorla are very lazy players and so at times it really does feel like we're playing with 9 men in big games.

    Abou Diaby is fit would solve alot of our problems tbh, would love to see him in the double pivot with Aaron
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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    It's got nothing to do with playing defensively it just involves not doing suicide attacking tactics. A balanced approach. Explain to me why 8 players are ahead of play 10 minutes in vs chelsea at Stamford bridge and we get slaughtered but the team plays cautiously at the emirates and gets a result. It has absolutely nothing to do with a DM it's just awful tactics. What difference would a dm of made to the goals conceded vs city, Liverpool? Fabregas could easily of played artetas/flaminis role to a much higher
    Level. I don't see why he wouldn't fit a counter attacking plan as well he would excel releasing runners from deep on the counter
    We'll have to agree to disagree. As great as Fabregas was when he was at Arsenal he was a bit of a liability when it came to defending. Throw him in with Ozil who cant defend to save his life and Ramsey will have to be the one doing all the tackling. Bye bye to Ramsey's goals and assists.
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    (Original post by 419)
    I don't think he'll be too perturbed by it. He's always done what's best for for number one throughout his career- from leaving Barca for us, forcing a move back to Barca, flirting with United last year and now this. He'll probably fell like he's got a chip on his shoulder and has people to prove wrong- given Mourinho's motivational prowess, it makes a peril situation even more worrisome.
    Oh this is definitely happening, Cesc is officially out for revenge against Arsenal/Wenger no matter what he says. Can guarentee that he'll want to play out of his skin against us, probably will too.


    In b4 Mourinho/Cesc embrace on Emirates touchline as the horde of chav away fan scum taunt relentlessly. Wenger smiles gormlessly and probably hugs Cesc post match, meanwhile Ramsey's agent sends out feelers to Real. Cycle begins again.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    City and Bayern dont usually these days but even then City play with 2 tanks who provide enough physicality to compensate, even then Javi Garcia plays often enough too. Bayern play Schweinsteiger who can play as DM as well and then they have Javi Martinez. Kroos, Muller, Gotze press like hell as well so they've got other Aces to play.

    Wenger's sort of gone for the Alonso/Schweinsteiger deep lying CM instead of a DM but Arteta is pony so we're left with Aaron Ramsey being relied on to provide all the energy and power for us. Ozil/Cazorla are very lazy players and so at times it really does feel like we're playing with 9 men in big games.

    Abou Diaby is fit would solve alot of our problems tbh, would love to see him in the double pivot with Aaron
    A Ramsey fabregas midfield can cope fine vs most teams in the prem because the quality is too poor to expose it. The big away games has nothing to do with a DM it's the fullbacks being exposed far too high up the pitch. All that would have to happen would be to have the fullbacks sitting deeper. Podolski in for cazorla. Ramsey to sit a few yards deeper and ozil to display some tactical awareness and there you have it a competitive team in big away games
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Oh this is definitely happening, Cesc is officially out for revenge against Arsenal/Wenger no matter what he says. Can guarentee that he'll want to play out of his skin against us, probably will too.


    In b4 Mourinho/Cesc embrace on Emirates touchline as the horde of chav away fan scum taunt relentlessly. Wenger smiles gormlessly and probably hugs Cesc post match, meanwhile Ramsey's agent sends out feelers to Real. Cycle begins again.
    I'm so glad this situation isn't getting to you
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    (Original post by De Chirico)
    We'll have to agree to disagree. As great as Fabregas was when he was at Arsenal he was a bit of a liability when it came to defending. Throw him in with Ozil who cant defend to save his life and Ramsey will have to be the one doing all the tackling. Bye bye to Ramsey's goals and assists.
    I don't understand your point at all the losses this season have absolutely nothing to do with the holding position the criticism of arteta is that he just passes it backwards/sideways and offers no forward momentum he isn't the reason arsenal get spanked in big away games
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    (Original post by baconbutty)
    A Ramsey fabregas midfield can cope fine vs most teams in the prem because the quality is too poor to expose it. The big away games has nothing to do with a DM it's the fullbacks being exposed far too high up the pitch. All that would have to happen would be to have the fullbacks sitting deeper. Podolski in for cazorla. Ramsey to sit a few yards deeper and ozil to display some tactical awareness and there you have it a competitive team in big away games
    Spot on with the full backs in fairness, cant remember when it became a go to tactic for them to push up like they do but it has to stop.

    What's bizarre is that at WHL we dug in and played 100% defensive football, very well in fact, and then a week later Sagna/Gibbs cant wait to get beyond the midfield.

    Forget about Podolski for 90m in big games, youre playing with 10 men. AOC at LW will put a shift in, Wilshere even perhaps. Say what you like about Jack but he works like a dog for 90m and chases and harries.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Spot on with the full backs in fairness, cant remember when it became a go to tactic for them to push up like they do but it has to stop.

    What's bizarre is that at WHL we dug in and played 100% defensive football, very well in fact, and then a week later Sagna/Gibbs cant wait to get beyond the midfield.

    Forget about Podolski for 90m in big games, youre playing with 10 men. AOC at LW will put a shift in, Wilshere even perhaps. Say what you like about Jack but he works like a dog for 90m and chases and harries.
    You know what, I'm not a fan of central midfielders on the wing(unless they have the requisite work rate) but Wilshere on the wing interests me for some reason. I have a feeling that he would do well there if he had a lot of games, he'll cut in and get some pass and move football going.

    I do think that Wilshere will improve next season and this is Wengers reasoning in not buying Fabregas, personally he should just get Vela, Aurier, a DM and a striker, I reckon Wilshere will play as a DM though.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Spot on with the full backs in fairness, cant remember when it became a go to tactic for them to push up like they do but it has to stop.

    What's bizarre is that at WHL we dug in and played 100% defensive football, very well in fact, and then a week later Sagna/Gibbs cant wait to get beyond the midfield.

    Forget about Podolski for 90m in big games, youre playing with 10 men. AOC at LW will put a shift in, Wilshere even perhaps. Say what you like about Jack but he works like a dog for 90m and chases and harries.
    The tactics make no sense. The team sits deep vs dortmund, Napoli away, spurs, chelsea and city at home as they should but for some reason go all out attack and push incredibly high up vs city away, chelsea away, pool would be interesting to actually hear what wenger has to say about this because if it's intentional it's absolutely awful management
 
 
 
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