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    (Original post by Lime-man)
    Jesus Jammy, take a chill pill. People have things more important than this place in their lives, you're not making yourself look any more superior just because you don't, you're making yourself look about on par with Nige.

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    While i can understand your dislike given your experience in the party (you should have been given the benefit of the doubt by all even if your green return makes it look like he was right) i don't think one can compare the two credibly.

    Nige's bills have an aristocratic 'the poor should know their place vibe' to them and frankly come from a place that i find almost as putrid as some of the Socialist manifesto policies i was forced to read earlier. Jammy has a similar debating style and is of the harder right but the policies seem to come from a more normal belief in mobility.

    Even on policy itself, Nige considers me insufficiently Euro-skeptic despite the fact that in the Mhoc i've acomplished far more than him on the issue of Europe (i wrote the bills relating to CAP and CFP), Nige also opposed airport expansion because of one bit that made operators have newer planes despite having a similar bill rejected earlier in the term (basically Nige is a purist who will only back things if they contain no compramises to the left). Jammy by contrast may put forward few 'impure' ideas himself but he's actually rather open to actively supporting them both internally and externally because he's capable of recognising the value of getting closer to the finish line even if not all the way.

    Finally, as much as Jammy can be abrasive to some people his manner is mostly calm and emotionless while Nige has thrown two or three tantrums that made him look an absolute clown.

    I like Nige in some respects (debating mainly) and imagine he'd be an interesting fellow to go down the pub with but in the Mhoc league of assets i think that Jammy is way higher than Nige.

    Not that i'm suggesting Nige is not an asset of course. In a weird way the place would not be the same without him.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    While i can understand your dislike given your experience in the party (you should have been given the benefit of the doubt by all even if your green return makes it look like he was right) i don't think one can compare the two credibly.

    Nige's bills have an aristocratic 'the poor should know their place vibe' to them and frankly come from a place that i find almost as putrid as some of the Socialist manifesto policies i was forced to read earlier. Jammy has a similar debating style and is of the harder right but the policies seem to come from a more normal belief in mobility.

    Even on policy itself, Nige considers me insufficiently Euro-skeptic despite the fact that in the Mhoc i've acomplished far more than him on the issue of Europe (i wrote the bills relating to CAP and CFP), Nige also opposed airport expansion because of one bit that made operators have newer planes despite having a similar bill rejected earlier in the term (basically Nige is a purist who will only back things if they contain no compramises to the left). Jammy by contrast may put forward few 'impure' ideas himself but he's actually rather open to actively supporting them both internally and externally because he's capable of recognising the value of getting closer to the finish line even if not all the way.

    Finally, as much as Jammy can be abrasive to some people his manner is mostly calm and emotionless while Nige has thrown two or three tantrums that made him look an absolute clown.

    I like Nige in some respects (debating mainly) and imagine he'd be an interesting fellow to go down the pub with but in the Mhoc league of assets i think that Jammy is way higher than Nige.

    Not that i'm suggesting Nige is not an asset of course. In a weird way the place would not be the same without him.
    What's so putrid about our manifesto? I think we've actually been fairly restrained and moderate lately, both in our manifesto and the bills we have produced.

    In fact, we even put forward a bill to privatise a key sector of the economy.
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    (Original post by Andy98)
    Great Scott! Not seen you in ages:eek:

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    I never left! I've been here the whole time, voting and writing - in fact, I've got something ready to go after the election, and this time it's not quite as divisive as tuition fees.
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    (Original post by cBay)
    What's so putrid about our manifesto?
    Nothing except that we have the word 'socialist' in it.
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    (Original post by Mactotaur)
    I never left! I've been here the whole time, voting and writing - in fact, I've got something ready to go after the election, and this time it's not quite as divisive as tuition fees.
    Fairs, must just be that I haven't noticed you as much recently due to less friendly distractions

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    Can labour confirm their stance on Syria, a member of your party believes that the best way to deal with it is by killing civilians to set up a no fly zone that isn't going to be enforced and that sanctions could Solve the problem.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Can labour confirm their stance on Syria, a member of your party believes that the best way to deal with it is by killing civilians to set up a no fly zone that isn't going to be enforced and that sanctions could Solve the problem.
    A) At least tag the member you're referring too.
    B) I saw the argument, that is NOT what the Labour member's proposing - stop twisting their words.
    C) Regardless of Labour members' individual views, your last two points of the question were your own opinion.

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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    A) At least tag the member you're referring too.
    B) I saw the argument, that is NOT what the Labour member's proposing - stop twisting their words.
    C) Regardless of Labour members' individual views, your last two points of the question were your own opinion.

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    A) they didn't give me the same courtesy.
    B) they didn't bother to twist my words they made things up whereas the labour member did say a no fly zone was needed but it wouldn't be enforced.
    C) it is their opinion that sanctions would be enough.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Can labour confirm their stance on Syria, a member of your party believes that the best way to deal with it is by killing civilians to set up a no fly zone that isn't going to be enforced and that sanctions could Solve the problem.
    It is unfortunately a rather intractable problem. It is clear the the no-fly zone is both highly difficult to enforce and will exacerbate tensions with Russia to nobody's benefit. Russia needs to demonstrate their good intentions by working with the rest of the world to establish a joint approach to dealing with extremism in the region. If they fail to do that then excluding them with a no-fly zone enforced by economic sanctions may be the only option, otherwise we can never be sure whether there are ulterior motives at play or whether civilians will be safe under Russia's plan. However it is very possible that the last ISIS-controlled cities will fall before this becomes a major issue. That is to say we hope to see ISIS defeated soon, by Kurdish ground forces backed by air support, before the human cost becomes unbearable.

    There is no official TSR Labour policy on establishing a no-fly zone in Syria.
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    (Original post by JoeL1994)
    A) At least tag the member you're referring too.
    B) I saw the argument, that is NOT what the Labour member's proposing - stop twisting their words.
    C) Regardless of Labour members' individual views, your last two points of the question were your own opinion.

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    In typical joecphillips fashion, he is trying to deflect attention by making up lies about someone else. :rofl:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    In typical joecphillips fashion, he is trying to deflect attention by making up lies about someone else. :rofl:
    Unlike you I have used your words
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Unlike you I have used the truth.
    If you say so, pet. :lol::rofl::lol:
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    In typical joecphillips fashion, he is trying to deflect attention by making up lies about someone else. :rofl:
    You kinda did say we should establish a no fly zone, and then went on to say if violated you would not enforce it, so these so called lies are kinda true.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You kinda did say we should establish a no fly zone, and then went on to say if violated you would not enforce it, so these so called lies are kinda true.

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    I said we should establish a no fly zone and enforce it with the threat of increased economic sanctions. That is not the same thing as no enforcement at all.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I said we should establish a no fly zone and enforce it with the threat of increased economic sanctions. That is not the same thing as no enforcement at all.
    So those western sanctions doing nothing will suddenly change if you impose more? Sanctions may work on small economies, and states reliant in western trade, but when you're talking about a state that can happily go on completely cut off if you want to put in a no fly zone you need to have the balls to use force, nothing less will enforce it.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So those western sanctions doing nothing will suddenly change if you impose more? Sanctions may work on small economies, and states reliant in western trade, but when you're talking about a state that can happily go on completely cut off if you want to put in a no fly zone you need to have the balls to use force, nothing less will enforce it.

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    If you think the current sanctions are doing nothing then you haven't been paying attention. Russia is in a colossal economic mess and Putin is running out of distractions. Russia is not even close to being self-sufficient.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    If you think the current sanctions are doing nothing then you haven't been paying attention. Russia is in a colossal economic mess and Putin is running out of distractions. Russia is not even close to being self-sufficient.
    You're treating Russia like a western democracy, not an eastern autocracy. Panem et cirenses, that's all Putin needs given the absolute control he has otherwise, as long as he can keep food on his people's table, provide them with entertainment, and keep weeping mothers off the television screens he can hold on to power indefinitely, despite the depression, he still has the right people under his control and is still sending out the right message. Russia are not dependent on the West, and China isn't likely to get involved.
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    Quamquam123 has been appointed TSR Labour Crisis Committee Represenative for the coming term, replacing Saoirse:3.

    TheDefiniteArticle has been reappointed as our Chief Whip.
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    Saracen's Fez - should I apply to the CC user group now or wait until the start of term?
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    Saracen's Fez - should I apply to the CC user group now or wait until the start of term?
    You can apply now.
 
 
 
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