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I can't believe how negative my fellow country man can be...Can't believe these people have such a 'no we cany' attitude and can vote for a kingdom which medels in war after war, gives 11 percent wage rises to MPs while people return food to food banks because they can't afford to cook it!

It beggars belief... a modern day rag mans roll...vote no and what? Wake up shrug your shoulders and carry on with this...vote yes and there is a chance for change...a chance to leave this sinking ship...how bad does it have to get? Disabled peolple having benefits stopped not enough? NHS being slowly destroyed not enough? Royal mail being given away not enough? Thatcherism? Blairism? Austerity? None of these has worked! Its time for change.
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Boab I wouldn't waste your time with mature student. He is simply blinded by unionism and would vote no even if it meant being worse off.
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(Original post by Boab)
Salmond et al think things out fine, as you well know. He's not been at the top of Scottish politics for so long because he is stupid.
No, he's been at the top of Scottish politics so long because the people who vote for him are stupid.


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Trident clearly is going to play a part in negotiations, just as a currency union will.
Trident will play a part in any negotiations but I would bet my pension on the fact that there will be no currency union. You are labouring under the impression that the rest of the world is going to dance to the SNP's turn because you've got a bit of oil behind you. It won't happen.


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(Original post by Boab)
A whole year before independence. So only 4 years for the electorate to forget about it then!

The rUK will have bigger concerns, like Trident for one. Like I say, theres as much evidence that a currency union is good as well as bad for rUK.
If it doesn't happen somehow, so be it, doesn't prevent the fact it could, and that the 3 chancellors are probably lying through their teeth!
Deluded. There's stacks of evidence to highlight the fact that it would be a massive risk to both parties; there's no will for it anywhere other than is Scotland. It won't happen. You're delusional.


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Get it up ye? Grow up son!

You more than clearly imply it in your whole post, especially the text I bolded for you.

The old anti-English bigotry card too. Pathetic.

As for your nationality, I couldn't care less. I welcome all races and creeds in Scotland, including the English!
The bit you bolded, if you actually bothered to read it properly, is the rUKs hypothetical reaction to an iScotland reneging on its debt. Do you think the rUK would be happy to help with a cross border pension agreement in such a case? There is no anti-Scottish agenda there so dry your tears.

I know I won't get any actual answers to the economic problems I've raised though because you don't have any. You know that this angle will lose Yes the referendum in the end don't you? People see through it eventually, you have to give answers to the basics instead of going on the attack all the time. Like I've said countless times on here, iScotland is perfectly viable but it's not going to happen as you are saying. No currency union, a proportionate share of the UK national debt. It really is that simple, the rUK is simply in far too strong a position on this for anything else to happen. If it went to tit-for-tat retaliation iScotland would get battered at exactly the point it needs stability the most.

And you assumed that I was English because I was disagreeing with the Yes economic position. Sounds bigoted to me Boaby lad, most English I know don't actually give a toss either way on independence, they just don't want to be stitched up (again) if it does happen.
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(Original post by 1tartanarmy)
I can't believe how negative my fellow country man can be...Can't believe these people have such a 'no we cany' attitude and can vote for a kingdom which medels in war after war, gives 11 percent wage rises to MPs while people return food to food banks because they can't afford to cook it!

It beggars belief... a modern day rag mans roll...vote no and what? Wake up shrug your shoulders and carry on with this...vote yes and there is a chance for change...a chance to leave this sinking ship...how bad does it have to get? Disabled peolple having benefits stopped not enough? NHS being slowly destroyed not enough? Royal mail being given away not enough? Thatcherism? Blairism? Austerity? None of these has worked! Its time for change.
Interesting news article.

http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/...ency-1-3362675

I see where you get it from.
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Deluded. There's stacks of evidence to highlight the fact that it would be a massive risk to both parties; there's no will for it anywhere other than is Scotland. It won't happen. You're delusional.


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Says the guy who attributes Alex Salmond's success to the stupidity of the Scottish electorate.

There's stacks of evidence on both sides. If you were even remotely impartial you could see that.
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The bit you bolded, if you actually bothered to read it properly, is the rUKs hypothetical reaction to an iScotland reneging on its debt. Do you think the rUK would be happy to help with a cross border pension agreement in such a case? There is no anti-Scottish agenda there so dry your tears.

I know I won't get any actual answers to the economic problems I've raised though because you don't have any. You know that this angle will lose Yes the referendum in the end don't you? People see through it eventually, you have to give answers to the basics instead of going on the attack all the time. Like I've said countless times on here, iScotland is perfectly viable but it's not going to happen as you are saying. No currency union, a proportionate share of the UK national debt. It really is that simple, the rUK is simply in far too strong a position on this for anything else to happen. If it went to tit-for-tat retaliation iScotland would get battered at exactly the point it needs stability the most.

And you assumed that I was English because I was disagreeing with the Yes economic position. Sounds bigoted to me Boaby lad, most English I know don't actually give a toss either way on independence, they just don't want to be stitched up (again) if it does happen.
I did read it properly. Was perfectly obvious what you were implying, both to me and anyone else who can read.

Dry your tears? Both childish and inane.

I don't know we will lose the referendum at all. Even the NO leaders are starting to worry.

Claiming I go on the attack all the time is possibly the most farcical comment read on here yet. All I ever seem to do on here is defend my own position against countless NO voters that lie through their teeth.

Lies such as this. Where did I presume you were English?

Boaby lad? Pathetic again, and bigoted? Nope. As above.
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Trident will play a part in any negotiations but I would bet my pension on the fact that there will be no currency union. You are labouring under the impression that the rest of the world is going to dance to the SNP's turn because you've got a bit of oil behind you. It won't happen.


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I am labouring under no such impression. I don't know why people on here continually try and warp my viewpoint.

Because Euphful says it won't happen, is that the argument over? Can we all go home now? Might as well tell all these thousands of people they are wasting their time!
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I did read it properly. Was perfectly obvious what you were implying, both to me and anyone else who can read.
I implied nothing, it was a clearly hypothetical situation which you're still trying to wiggle out of. Do you think the rUK would agree to cross border pensions if iScotland reneged on the debt? It's a fairly simple question, and it's clear why you won't answer it.


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NO voters that lie through their teeth.

Lies such as this. Where did I presume you were English?
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So as someone from down south
Have a lie dowm mate, you're all over the place.
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There's stacks of evidence on both sides. If you were even remotely impartial you could see that.
Such as? Because I am impartial and I've never seen it. It would be disastrous for the rUK.
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I am labouring under no such impression. I don't know why people on here continually try and warp my viewpoint.

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Because you warp it yourself.

I know have a nationalist leader telling me we'll have automatic entry to the EU, yet you've admitted we won't.
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Another interesting news story about a mock referendum.

http://www.inverness-courier.co.uk/N...m-01042014.htm
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Interesting news article.

http://m.scotsman.com/news/politics/...ency-1-3362675

I see where you get it from.
Seems like the SNP are starting to panic, they are scaring off the very people they need to stay.
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'The attitude from Sturgeon that rUK voters don't need or deserve a say in whether there's a currency union, is simply jaw-dropping. What right does this contemptible woman have in telling the citizens of a foreign country (in the event of a Yes vote) what they should and shouldn't have the right to decide? For her to say that a currency union would mean no change to the status quo for rUK means that either she is utterly clueless, or she thinks that the voters are. Furthermore, her statements are the real bullying.

They (Fishies & Swine) are doing huge damage to cross-border relations that have taken generations to build up, stirring up anti-Scots feeling in some quarters that simply wasn't there before. All three come across as utterly dishonest, manipulative and shameless. Most of all, though, they just come across as incompetent. They repeat the same dross week after week, never moving the debate forward, never giving the Scots people the information they actually need to make an informed decision.

If you do vote for independence, make sure you replace these half-wits with politicians who aren't a laughing stock to the outside world. I'm embarrassed for you (and that is meant to be empathetic, not nasty).'
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Seems like the SNP are starting to panic, they are scaring off the very people they need to stay.
They've been speaking like that for some time.

I you disagree with them you're a traitor/quisling/talking Scotland down etc etc.
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They've been speaking like that for some time.

I you disagree with them you're a traitor/quisling/talking Scotland down etc etc.
Lots of people are confusing reality with scaremongering. smh.


Just a suggestion, would anyone be interested in doing mock negotiations? We would need 2 RUK members, 2 Scottish members (pro and against) and the rest act EU countries.
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(Original post by Boab)
NO voters that lie through their teeth.
Lies such as this. Where did I presume you were English?

(Original post by Boab)
So as someone from down south


Have a lie dowm mate, you're all over the place.
Very clever!
Pray tell me how someone from down south means they are English? You said you were down south, which is what I also said.

Muppet.
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Very clever!
Pray tell me how someone from down south means they are English? You said you were down south, which is what I also said.

Muppet.
You're not even in Scotland then Boab?

Are you one of these guys?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ionalists.html
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