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    (Original post by Beska)
    I've not been told how to search for information from journals and the like yet but I'm just trying to find out if the fact that mothers who themselves were premature are more likely to give birth prematurely themselves is true or not? Are there any textbooks that this kind of thing would likely be discussed in? The articles I've found seem to suggest that it is true but I don't want to just be picking random papers from Scholar that agree with me while somehow ignoring those that don't...
    This would be a good place to start.

    Genetic Influences on Preterm Birth, Semin Reprod Med. 2007;25(1):40-51

    However searching PubMed for articles related to "predisposition to preterm birth" may provide you with more updated articles such as this http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20502281

    ^ That is the article which all the news stories referred to last year.
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    (Original post by Beska)
    I've not been told how to search for information from journals and the like yet but I'm just trying to find out if the fact that mothers who themselves were premature are more likely to give birth prematurely themselves is true or not? Are there any textbooks that this kind of thing would likely be discussed in? The articles I've found seem to suggest that it is true but I don't want to just be picking random papers from Scholar that agree with me while somehow ignoring those that don't...
    I've heard that too, and also the method of birth is very similar (but not sure at all whether thats true or not).

    Don't know if this'll be much help:
    http://www.bmj.com/content/3/5932/659.abstract

    '...The results are consistent with the theory that the mother's own intrauterine experience affects her reproductive performance but could also be explained by shared family learning experience of as yet unidentified microsocial factors related to pregnancy performance.'

    Thats actually quite interesting!
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    So, after a term of studying embryology with embryologists, I have decided that embryology is awesome
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    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    I just can't see myself enjoying it at all, plus I'd be frustrated about graduating a year later.

    Only thinking about it now as my clinical advisor was trying to convince me it was a good idea the other day.
    Being a finalist is amazing. Glad I'm graduating, pretty chilled out year with lots of flexibility and less of being treated like a badly trained monkey. And nice seeing everything come together medically. together I don't regret skipping a BSc at all.
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    Being a finalist is amazing. Glad I'm graduating, pretty chilled out year with lots of flexibility and less of being treated like a badly trained monkey. And nice seeing everything come together medically. together I don't regret skipping a BSc at all.
    Am wondering whether to intercalate also. Interesting to see & also saw you scored really highly without intercalation so clearly isn't necessary? Big concern for me is anatomy at Glasgow has been abysmally and wouldn't want that knowledge gap should I decide to go into surgery..? Though I guess some people must manage it!
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    (Original post by SMed)
    If I do 4-5 lectures a day, I can get through all of the first terms' (mod 1 and 2) work at least once. If I do 8 a day, then I can get through it twice. Next and final module will be quite difficult and will have to keep up with the revision for that module as I go along because the exam is straight after. So I won't have time to go over modules 1 and 2 again after this break.

    That's my Christmas ****ed.
    This is pure effort :yy:

    I will start working tomorrow. I will I will.
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    (Original post by lekky)
    Am wondering whether to intercalate also. Interesting to see & also saw you scored really highly without intercalation so clearly isn't necessary? Big concern for me is anatomy at Glasgow has been abysmally and wouldn't want that knowledge gap should I decide to go into surgery..? Though I guess some people must manage it!
    Yeah, FPAS clearly demonstrated that at least for foundation jobs, it doesn't really matter if you intercalate or not. It's such a gamble as it is....I wrote my answers doing 70 hour weeks on the floor using a laptop that had a dysfunctional keyboard here and there eight time zones away and got 82, whereas some GEPs, graduates and intercalaters I know spent literally days on each question, sentence by sentence and got like their 10th choice.

    I got 82 and I have no publications, degrees, posters etc....just a straight school leaver. I'm not being blase, I didn't really care where I went and so I didn't put as much effort in it as if I was desperate to stay in London.

    Fair system? Don't think so!
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    I dunno about how having a BSc will impact on core surgical jobs, but there are plenty of people from the PBL school 'crappy anatomy' era that have got surgical jobs and got MRCS...likely down to many hours of self study to make up for the crappy teaching at med school
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    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    All this talk of iBSc's is making me wonder, am I a complete muppet for avoiding doing one? Just have zero desire to do it.
    Totally up to you, I'm loving mine. Enjoying this year way more than Medicine, but its a lot tougher and I feel so stupid - kinda gotten used to thinking too much and not so good on the practical side of things but getting better now. Its odd but I think I would've done better coming into it straight out of A-levels as you use a lot of that side of thinking and just follow instructions.

    But its not just an extra degree you're getting - its also the chance to present, publish, prizes and get a poster out of it. All which can get you points. Might not be that important for foundation programme (but helps for academic programmes!) but definitely helps for that speciality post.

    Perhaps do some lab work over the summer? Get a feel for it if you want to pursue it or avoid it?
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    (Original post by Penguinsaysquack)
    The only excuses for that week would be alcohol induced.. but I should still manage to make it

    First term has... varied.

    Most of the time I do love it there at BL. People are awesome and really loving the rowing aspect of things now I've gotten into that.
    Then there are some lectures which are just balls and times when you really don't want to get up for PBL..
    And the odd week which is just so dull during FunMed (was alright during CR though!)
    The only other thing is the medic bubble that bothers me. I love my flatmates to bit but sometimes I would wonder if I were better off at Mile End just to mix with the quimmers a bit more and perhaps meet a nice lady friend there :lol:
    But yeah, glad first term is over and will see how the next term goes.

    I'll agree with it getting better for CR at least. If nothing else the introduction of clinical skills makes it more bearable.
    Certainly looks like it's on the up :yep:

    How's things with you?
    Yeah, you get the random lectures all the time. Tbh, I just go either way because I see lectures as an opportunity to socialise with my mates. I actually miss not having whole year lectures any more. That was probably one of the best bits about the pre clinical years.

    Dude, go over to QM/Mile End. I love BL and all, and I love our autonomy, but it does get boring sometimes (even more so this year now that our union is shut for refurbishment). I've joined the Queen Mary CU just because the BL one was far too small for my liking, and for me, that's been a great opportunity to meet so many non medics. I contemplated joining the QM Drama Soc too, but I would probably be lynched for doing that. :p: The QM lot don't have a problem with us joining them at all though. Go for it! Also, Drapers can be fun if you want to meet the ladies.

    Things are ok with me. I've been a massive social recluse this term because of this iBSc and the fact that most of my friends are either intercalating on a different campus or are away on firms. That said, there's so much going on next term with the BLAS Show, RAG Fashion/Dance Show, RAG Week, SKIPs usual shabang, the union re-opening and Dental Beer Race all next term, which means things should definitely liven up! I hope...

    Also, we haven't been formally introduced. This must change.

    (Original post by RollerBall)
    It looks like they've corrected it now. A/B/C/D/E are what calculates our deciles and are what's used for awarding merits. Our actual deciles will be different though as for FY1 they don't include SSCs or ICAs so A/E aren't included like we were originally told.

    Our intercalation rank is the one that's messed up. It only takes into account A&B. Why they didn't do it the same way as our deciles I have no idea.

    I'm still going to apply for Med/Ed this year and possibly infection/immunology then if I don't get anywhere I'll apply again next year (which seems likely). The iBSc lecture/fair is on the 27th.
    This whole ranking thing just looks like effort to try and understand. Meh. But glad its all sorted out for you.

    I&I is effort. I have two friends doing it this year and they had major exams last week which they were both stressing about. Its probably very useful though.

    (Original post by Mushi_master)
    All this talk of iBSc's is making me wonder, am I a complete muppet for avoiding doing one? Just have zero desire to do it.
    Tbh, I only really wanted to do Medical Education - nothing else really appealed to me. I hated the idea of lab work so that narrowed down my options to two - Community and Health Sciences (which I think is being replaced by the Global Health iBSc from next year) and Medical Education. If Medical Education wasn't available here, I'm not quite sure I would have intercalated at all (well certainly not at BL with our somewhat limited iBSc options).

    (Original post by Wangers)
    So, after a term of studying embryology with embryologists, I have decided that embryology is awesome
    Embryology is effort. Its also really rushed when it is "taught" here too - I think we had like one (maybe two) lectures max on it, and the rest was apparently "taught" in our learning landscape (anatomy practicals). Lies.
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    I dunno about how having a BSc will impact on core surgical jobs, but there are plenty of people from the PBL school 'crappy anatomy' era that have got surgical jobs and got MRCS...likely down to many hours of self study to make up for the crappy teaching at med school
    True true.. was always so keen on intercal but feeling more and more tempted to just get graduated and out there now! Well done on your score btw. I have definitely not been stalking that thread but yorkshire is a great area of the country
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    (Original post by Supermassive_muse_fan)
    Totally up to you, I'm loving mine. Enjoying this year way more than Medicine, but its a lot tougher and I feel so stupid - kinda gotten used to thinking too much and not so good on the practical side of things but getting better now. Its odd but I think I would've done better coming into it straight out of A-levels as you use a lot of that side of thinking and just follow instructions.

    But its not just an extra degree you're getting - its also the chance to present, publish, prizes and get a poster out of it. All which can get you points. Might not be that important for foundation programme (but helps for academic programmes!) but definitely helps for that speciality post.

    Perhaps do some lab work over the summer? Get a feel for it if you want to pursue it or avoid it?
    This iBSc year for me so far has been more effort than second year (which was quite a tough year for me). Half of the people on my course are intercalating after 4th year too (apparently the hardest year at BL) and even they've said this is so much more effort than that year. Obviously small sample and they are speaking retrospectively, but still fairly surprising.

    I think the difficulty with an iBSc (particularly one which isn't hardcore science) is the fact that you can't memorise or learn a mnemonic etc. to pass the exams. You read crap loads of papers and text books, and whereas these will broadly contain factual information in medicine, with Med Ed, no one (strictly speaking) is right or wrong so you end up having to read loads and loads around a topic to generally get an idea of what is going on, and then use that to formulate your opinion in an essay or an exam. That's the tough bit for me - I'm quite happy voicing my ill-informed opinions about football or strictly come dancing or whatever, but actually having a well informed opinion about education, in particular medical education, is so much more harder than I thought, and that has been my biggest suprise.

    I might just copy and paste this into my reflective portfolio I'm meant to be keeping this year. :p:
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    (Original post by Wangers)
    So, after a term of studying embryology with embryologists, I have decided that embryology is awesome
    I almost negged you for that :p:


    (Original post by lekky)
    Am wondering whether to intercalate also. Interesting to see & also saw you scored really highly without intercalation so clearly isn't necessary? Big concern for me is anatomy at Glasgow has been abysmally and wouldn't want that knowledge gap should I decide to go into surgery..? Though I guess some people must manage it!

    YOU should intercalate, one of the few I would say should do it...

    (Original post by digitalis)

    Fair system? Don't think so!
    What choice did you get? And grats man
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    (Original post by Philosoraptor)
    YOU should intercalate, one of the few I would say should do it...
    Why me?
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    (Original post by lekky)
    Why me?
    Lol because you're a total TSR type of medic? :p:
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    (Original post by Philosoraptor)

    What choice did you get? And grats man
    Cheers dude, first choice, Yorkshire.
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    Cheers dude, first choice, Yorkshire.
    Yorkshire's cool. Though the accent(s) may (read: should) get on your nerves.
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    (Original post by digitalis)
    Cheers dude, first choice, Yorkshire.
    Nicely done *rep*

    Is it bad that I feel a little bit smug about some mega douchebag gunners getting 10th choice place etc in the year above? :p:
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    (Original post by Medicine Man)
    This iBSc year for me so far has been more effort than second year (which was quite a tough year for me). Half of the people on my course are intercalating after 4th year too (apparently the hardest year at BL) and even they've said this is so much more effort than that year. Obviously small sample and they are speaking retrospectively, but still fairly surprising.

    I think the difficulty with an iBSc (particularly one which isn't hardcore science) is the fact that you can't memorise or learn a mnemonic etc. to pass the exams. You read crap loads of papers and text books, and whereas these will broadly contain factual information in medicine, with Med Ed, no one (strictly speaking) is right or wrong so you end up having to read loads and loads around a topic to generally get an idea of what is going on, and then use that to formulate your opinion in an essay or an exam. That's the tough bit for me - I'm quite happy voicing my ill-informed opinions about football or strictly come dancing or whatever, but actually having a well informed opinion about education, in particular medical education, is so much more harder than I thought, and that has been my biggest suprise.

    I might just copy and paste this into my reflective portfolio I'm meant to be keeping this year. :p:
    How is the MedEd iBSc going? and that is pure reflective gold, haha.
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    (Original post by Philosoraptor)
    Nicely done *rep*

    Is it bad that I feel a little bit smug about some mega douchebag gunners getting 10th choice place etc in the year above? :p:
    No, don't feel smug! Feel sorry for them because ultimately it means that everything that you worked towards in med school (academics, merits, distinctions, med school prizes, sports team captaincy, running a billion societies, volunteering etc) mean diddly squat.

    Instead they had to second guess an opaque marking system based on soft skills that a non medic or half decent English grad with a copy of Good Medical Practice could have trotted out answers for.

    I feel awful for everyone who actually worked their arse off for a BSc or a Masters and published etc that got worse than me.
 
 
 
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