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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Cazorla and Fabregas are very very different players
    The main difference being Fabregas is better
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Yeah, one actually turns up while the other one is anonymous majority of the time.

    Still think Fabregas is not good enough to base a whole system round if you're trying to challenge for trophies though. Can see why Barca didn't make him the main man in midfield. Hopefully he's not a fish outta water but I see him getting on with Mourinho if Chelsea do well. But since I don't see us winning the title looks like Fab will be complaining in private to his Madrid compatriots about his bad loan stint next season.

    What do you think his FIFA rating will be. I reckon it would have gone down if he went to Arsenal, reckon it'll be around 84 and Costa at 85 but if he went to Arsenal would be at 83.
    Last time Fabregas had a genuinely great season was 2009/10 in fairness...

    ..sometimes players just peak early. Arsene knows that too

    Santi Cazorla is what he is, a squad player who is 100% reliable to do the business vs Spurs/WHU/Newcastle etc but will not provide anywhere near enough vs a big side.

    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    The main difference being Fabregas is better
    Manutd15 with that quality insight and discussion as per usual

    Handy that we have Mesut Ozil really, who Mourinho himself considers the best 10 in Europe
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Last time Fabregas had a genuinely great season was 2009/10 in fairness...

    ..sometimes players just peak early. Arsene knows that too

    Santi Cazorla is what he is, a squad player who is 100% reliable to do the business vs Spurs/WHU/Newcastle etc but will not provide anywhere near enough vs a big side.



    Manutd15 with that quality insight and discussion as per usual
    Zurich with those completely non-biased views as per usual
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    (Original post by manchesterunited15)
    Zurich with those completely non-biased views as per usual
    Didnt even provide a view, just pointed out that Cazorla and Fabregas are very different players. Which begs the question, wtf are you on about?
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Last time Fabregas had a genuinely great season was 2009/10 in fairness...

    ..sometimes players just peak early. Arsene knows that too

    Santi Cazorla is what he is, a squad player who is 100% reliable to do the business vs Spurs/WHU/Newcastle etc but will not provide anywhere near enough vs a big side.
    Tbf Fab does have a good goalscoring record at Barca and he usually has a great half season. Reckon he suffers from burnout so that's why we need to use the youth buy another midfielder as a squad player at Chelsea.

    AKB man, he probably has peaked, reckon he'll get more love at Chelsea if he starts scoring goals.

    Cazorla is reliable to do the business against the likes of Spurs and Hull true.
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    (Original post by AR_95)
    For sure but all this hype about them being invincible next season just doesn't seem right. I've got a feeling Costa will have a rough season and although he's quality atm I still think Suarez and Aguero are better. We don't actually know how Cesc is going to perform yet and if he's being sold by Barca I doubt he's the world beater we make him out to be. Doesn't seem like a mourinho type player but time will tell.

    Right now I'm more worried about Van Gaal pulling off another shock with UTD


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    What is a mourinho type player?
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    Fabregas made Adebayor look like he was genuinely world class. I can never forget that.

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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Didnt even provide a view, just pointed out that Cazorla and Fabregas are very different players. Which begs the question, wtf are you on about?
    You downplaying Fabregas just because he's gone to Chelsea
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Last time Fabregas had a genuinely great season was 2009/10 in fairness...

    ..sometimes players just peak early. Arsene knows that too


    Santi Cazorla is what he is, a squad player who is 100% reliable to do the business vs Spurs/WHU/Newcastle etc but will not provide anywhere near enough vs a big side.



    Manutd15 with that quality insight and discussion as per usual

    Handy that we have Mesut Ozil really, who Mourinho himself considers the best 10 in Europe

    Did you not call him the prodigal son and were wishing him back? Backtracking no?
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Manutd15 with that quality insight and discussion as per usual

    Handy that we have Mesut Ozil really, who Mourinho himself considers the best 10 in Europe
    Meh, Ozil would have still been on the bench if we currently had him like Mata was.
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    (Original post by C.Almasy)
    Did you not call him the prodigal son and were wishing him back? Backtracking no?
    Didnt want him back now that Ozil is here, said that all last week on here too. Would have bitten Bara's hand off 12 months ago however.

    Not saying he's not a quality player, but it's fair to say his last season at Arsenal was injury plagued and not up to his previous standard while his last 3 years have been an unqualified failure.
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Always dubious about signing Brazilian players. The only sides that seem to get the proper players are from Portugal/Spain/Russia/Ukraine.

    We just end up with Denilson

    What an absolutely shocking player Denilson was btw
    If Cleverly had a brazilian passport...
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Tbf Fab does have a good goalscoring record at Barca and he usually has a great half season. Reckon he suffers from burnout so that's why we need to use the youth buy another midfielder as a squad player at Chelsea.

    AKB man, he probably has peaked, reckon he'll get more love at Chelsea if he starts scoring goals.

    Cazorla is reliable to do the business against the likes of Spurs and Hull true.
    Alot of people would say that Fabregas is the kind of player who needs the team to be focused on him, some would even argue that he makes those around him worse rather than better.

    Wonder if Mourinho will give him the status in the team that Wenger did, and Barca didnt...
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    (Original post by jam278)
    Yeah, one actually turns up while the other one is anonymous majority of the time.

    Still think Fabregas is not good enough to base a whole system round if you're trying to challenge for trophies though. Can see why Barca didn't make him the main man in midfield. Hopefully he's not a fish outta water but I see him getting on with Mourinho if Chelsea do well. But since I don't see us winning the title looks like Fab will be complaining in private to his Madrid compatriots about his bad loan stint next season.

    What do you think his FIFA rating will be. I reckon it would have gone down if he went to Arsenal, reckon it'll be around 84 and Costa at 85 but if he went to Arsenal would be at 83.



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    (Original post by Zürich)
    Alot of people would say that Fabregas is the kind of player who needs the team to be focused on him, some would even argue that he makes those around him worse rather than better.

    Wonder if Mourinho will give him the status in the team that Wenger did, and Barca didnt...
    I reckon he'll give him that status. Mourinho did that with Sneijder e.g.

    Mourinho gives Hazard that status. Fabregas to me has never been good enough to be the fulcrum of the team for a side challenging for top trophies but he's a good semi cog.

    am i that obvious.
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    (Original post by jam278)
    I reckon he'll give him that status. Mourinho did that with Sneijder e.g.

    Mourinho gives Hazard that status. Fabregas to me has never been good enough to be the fulcrum of the team for a side challenging for top trophies but he's a good semi cog.
    ****ing hell mate, really trying to throw in as many subtle digs as you can atm! :rolleyes:

    Will laugh so much if Fabregas doesnt work out or ends up on the bench :laugh:
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    (Original post by Zürich)
    ****ing hell mate, really trying to throw in as many subtle digs as you can atm! :rolleyes:

    Will laugh so much if Fabregas doesnt work out or ends up on the bench :laugh:
    Jam is a **** so personally hope that happens!


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    (Original post by jam278)
    I reckon he'll give him that status. Mourinho did that with Sneijder e.g.

    Mourinho gives Hazard that status. Fabregas to me has never been good enough to be the fulcrum of the team for a side challenging for top trophies but he's a good semi cog.


    am i that obvious.
    The way you blasting Fab like he's any player wow.

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    (Original post by Zürich)
    ****ing hell mate, really trying to throw in as many subtle digs as you can atm! :rolleyes:

    Will laugh so much if Fabregas doesnt work out or ends up on the bench :laugh:
    Hopefully we can get Tiago on a free, he was a pretty good player for us and can pass the ball very well. Least we can rotate between him and fabregas.

    But anyway this is the Arsenal thread. Why the hell is your team so boring when it comes to the transfer window?

    I'm not even trying to par here. Like at least with United last year you could laugh at their transfers and their incompetence and you know that one of City or Chelsea are just going to overpay for somebody or make a big signing but you guys are just boring.
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    (Original post by jam278)

    But anyway this is the Arsenal thread. Why the hell is your team so boring when it comes to the transfer window?

    I'm not even trying to par here. Like at least with United last year you could laugh at their transfers and their incompetence and you know that one of City or Chelsea are just going to overpay for somebody or make a big signing but you guys are just boring.
    Wenger actively hates signing ready made players, doesnt do it for him. Also not a risk taker so will agonise over the valuation of a player for weeks and weeks. Higuain/Suarez prime examples.

    2006-2012 that strategy was perfectly aligned with the fact we were boracic lint but now it's just a hindrance to progress

    The next manager is on course for a feeding frenzy by the looks of it, £150m potentially ready to roll on day 1 of the job. :laugh:
 
 
 
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