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what a joke. a complete ********.
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(Original post by Urban Scholar)
I think u missed the point of my post.

The person provided tables for Imperial in banking!

My point was that nothing in employment, regardless of a general university recruitment stats at a bank, could top any LSE degree in economics!

Dont know if ur argument is about league tables or courses; apart from the joke u made stating the obvious courses that are and are not available at both LSE and Imperial
The person didn't actually provide any tables whatsoever, but ok whatever, I have no idea what you're talking about to be honest.
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have students with that overachieving type A personality that I miss so much.
lol
the aspirational petite bourgeoisie
why would anybody want to be a "type A personality".
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(Original post by centrade84)
I am not sure if IC is really above UCL when it comes to Banking. From what i know,they produce lesser front office bankers than UCL except for in structuring.
So banking ONLY includes front office now?


(Original post by centrade84)
Yea, and if one doesnt bother to write a proper cv or answers to the competency questions in recruitment page, i dont see him getting a top job even with u have Harvard or MIT in the resume.
For my IB applications i didn't bother writing a cover letter unless i HAD to and I completed most of my applications within 5 to 10 mins. I passed every single sift and numeracy test and (asof yet) only failed to get to one interview. Why? Because i'm an Imperial student and that says a lot...

(Original post by centrade84)
I hold leadership positions in a number of career societies in UCL, and if JPM is willing to give 3k quids to a certain soceity, i don see why they will reject a capable ucl candidate just because ucl is 'lower on the banking league table'.
Because JPM still want the 1 in a 100 REALLY capable UCL student to apply to them. It doesnt mean all 100 UCL students are amazing (as they most certainly aren't).

(Original post by centrade84)
As a sidenote, if one judges the quality of a university by reference to her students' access to the top jobs in the country, i think UCL is really doing fine, and perphaps more so than Warwick and Imperial. My career soceity handles law jobs, and the top magic circle law firms hire INTENSIVELY from UCL, which supposedly have a top 3 law school in the country (I am only saying this because a magic circle starting pay is way above an engineering firm's, so thats just from the monetary perspective)
Monetary, top average salaries from all UK degrees:
1) Cambridge Economics 38,000
2) Imperial Computing 34,000
3) LSE Economics ~33,500
4) LSE Maths ~ 33,000

Wheres's UCL?

2010 Times League Table
1) Oxford
2) Cambridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2009 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2008 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2007 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2006 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

"Educators at London's prestigious Imperial College, questioned in a new poll, have overwhelmingly rejected....."

"The University of London today lost one of its most prestigious member institutions. The divorce with Imperial College...."

"Studies under ... ceramic materials at Imperial College and director of the ... with the prestigious Imperial College and look forward"

"It's difficult to know where the library ends and where the café starts at London's prestigious Imperial College, where A-EM has completed"

"Magazine article from: Chemistry and Industry ; ...the UK's prestigious Imperial College at the University of London...effectively the head -- of Imperial"

""We are thrilled to have concluded this pioneering collaboration with Imperial College, a world renowned and prestigious centre for learning and research."

"but I hope nobody actually thinks IIT is more prestigious than ivy league universities, oxbridge, MIT, Stanford, imperial college, UC Berkeley, Northwestern, UChicago, UCLA, Caltech, and a host of other very good schools all over the world."
(the above was from somebody located in New York, where's UCL??)


So can you please stop sprouting crap about UCL being super amazing and accept the truth you have been ranked too highly!
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(Original post by billydisco)
So banking ONLY includes front office now?



For my IB applications i didn't bother writing a cover letter unless i HAD to and I completed most of my applications within 5 to 10 mins. I passed every single sift and numeracy test and (asof yet) only failed to get to one interview. Why? Because i'm an Imperial student and that says a lot...


Because JPM still want the 1 in a 100 REALLY capable UCL student to apply to them. It doesnt mean all 100 UCL students are amazing (as they most certainly aren't).



Monetary, top average salaries from all UK degrees:
1) Cambridge Economics 38,000
2) Imperial Computing 34,000
3) LSE Economics ~33,500
4) LSE Maths ~ 33,000

Wheres's UCL?

2010 Times League Table
1) Oxford
2) Cambridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2009 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2008 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2007 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2006 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

"Educators at London's prestigious Imperial College, questioned in a new poll, have overwhelmingly rejected....."

"The University of London today lost one of its most prestigious member institutions. The divorce with Imperial College...."

"Studies under ... ceramic materials at Imperial College and director of the ... with the prestigious Imperial College and look forward"

"It's difficult to know where the library ends and where the café starts at London's prestigious Imperial College, where A-EM has completed"

"Magazine article from: Chemistry and Industry ; ...the UK's prestigious Imperial College at the University of London...effectively the head -- of Imperial"

""We are thrilled to have concluded this pioneering collaboration with Imperial College, a world renowned and prestigious centre for learning and research."

"but I hope nobody actually thinks IIT is more prestigious than ivy league universities, oxbridge, MIT, Stanford, imperial college, UC Berkeley, Northwestern, UChicago, UCLA, Caltech, and a host of other very good schools all over the world."
(the above was from somebody located in New York, where's UCL??)


So can you please stop sprouting crap about UCL being super amazing and accept the truth you have been ranked too highly!
UCL was ranked too highly, but don't big up Imperial either, it still is not even in the same league as MIT or CalTech, don't kid yourself
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[QUOTE=billydisco]So banking ONLY includes front office now?

Dude, you should understand that i never said UCL deserve the number 4th rank in the world. Like i have said these league tables are meaningless as banks dont even look at them. I am just saying that so long as u belong to the group of top few target schools, the NAME of your school cease to be of overhwelming importance. If you check out the school compositions of the front office summer interns of all the banks, there are just about as many imperial students as there are from UCL.

Also, from the sources you quoted:

The "£30,000 club" also covers medical graduates from seven institutions, including Imperial, York, Queen's Belfast and Dundee. Graduates from just five other courses earn an average of more than £30,000 in their first job — business studies at Oxford, mechanical engineering at Imperial College London, maths at the London School of Economics (LSE) and economics at the LSE and University College London.

Point is there is not a gulf of difference between IC and UCL imo. Anyway, if you are confident about ur identity as an IC student, there is no need for you to react so defensively to a very mild statement of mind. I am sure a cambrdige student would never throw up league tables if someone ever claimed that UCL is better than cam.

Of course banking is not just about front office, but thats where all the 'hooohaaas' about investment banking comes from....no one in the forum talks about how to break into operations, as a matter of fact.

Yea i totally agree with awm55. Imperial may be a stronger university, but its not that much greater than UCL. I am sure many UCL students are incompetent, and the same applies to many from Imperial, Oxbridge, LSE, Harvard, Yale, or any top ranked IVies. You have to be decently successful to get into these institutions, but how you make of your education there is a different story.

I am not here to start a quarell, just sharing some thoughts, lol, so dont get too worked out mate. :P
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(Original post by billydisco)
So banking ONLY includes front office now?



For my IB applications i didn't bother writing a cover letter unless i HAD to and I completed most of my applications within 5 to 10 mins. I passed every single sift and numeracy test and (asof yet) only failed to get to one interview. Why? Because i'm an Imperial student and that says a lot...


Because JPM still want the 1 in a 100 REALLY capable UCL student to apply to them. It doesnt mean all 100 UCL students are amazing (as they most certainly aren't).



Monetary, top average salaries from all UK degrees:
1) Cambridge Economics 38,000
2) Imperial Computing 34,000
3) LSE Economics ~33,500
4) LSE Maths ~ 33,000

Wheres's UCL?

2010 Times League Table
1) Oxford
2) Cambridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2009 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2008 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2007 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

2006 Times League Table
1) Oxbridge
3) Imperial

UCL?

"Educators at London's prestigious Imperial College, questioned in a new poll, have overwhelmingly rejected....."

"The University of London today lost one of its most prestigious member institutions. The divorce with Imperial College...."

"Studies under ... ceramic materials at Imperial College and director of the ... with the prestigious Imperial College and look forward"

"It's difficult to know where the library ends and where the café starts at London's prestigious Imperial College, where A-EM has completed"

"Magazine article from: Chemistry and Industry ; ...the UK's prestigious Imperial College at the University of London...effectively the head -- of Imperial"

""We are thrilled to have concluded this pioneering collaboration with Imperial College, a world renowned and prestigious centre for learning and research."

"but I hope nobody actually thinks IIT is more prestigious than ivy league universities, oxbridge, MIT, Stanford, imperial college, UC Berkeley, Northwestern, UChicago, UCLA, Caltech, and a host of other very good schools all over the world."
(the above was from somebody located in New York, where's UCL??)


So can you please stop sprouting crap about UCL being super amazing and accept the truth you have been ranked too highly!
You sound very angry at the world and you might have a bit too much time on your hands. What course are you studying at UCL because the workload obviously is not enough? :rofl:

Oh and it is "sums" not "somes" A wee spelling error in your profile
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Imperial is also specialist yet doesn't seemed to be particuarly harmed. I think these tables are just a bit of a joke.
League tables have always been a bit of a joke tbh. They are usually meant for those people who are so bedazzled by status that they cant see the woods for the trees

My uni selections were UCL x3, Cambridge and York. York was simply a space filler whilst I was in love with UCL and Cambridge. They are just as strong as each other in the sciences with Cambridge having more of a Harry Potter vibe to it :p:

Anyway I picked UCL Biomed and recall discussing it with a fellow student from another London uni (a very good one ) who practically screamed at me for rejecting Cambridge :rolleyes:

Anyway I really do wish graduates of these unis (Oxford, Cambridge, UCL etc) would stick around these forums just so they could show league table worshippers on this site what graduate life is really like with a top class degree
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I cant agree more Rokit. I wouldnt have rejected cam for ucl, but making the most out of ur education is alot more impt than where u go to to be honest, so long as it is a top 6 uni
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Imperial isn't harmed because it's a science behemoth.
i love that word
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I am a UCL graduate, and taking a MSC at Columbia at present. My own experience is that U.S and U.K has a very different system, but no one is better than the other, it is only whether it suits you better or not.

Ranking does not really show what the university is TRUELY like, only reflects the way how it looks like.

If the imperial guy wants to claim that IMP is higher up than UCL in terms of what he posted above, fine, but let me give you something different from UCL,

2007 Martin Evans Nobel PW in Physiology UCL PHD
2009 Charles Kao Nobel PW in Physics UCL PHD

Both of them are in the fields of Science where Imperial is pround of itself.

TBH, we are just looking from different angles really
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People are getting to emotional in this thread.
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(Original post by billydisco)
No offence guys but if you actually believe you're better than Oxford and Imperial, it doesnt show much for the intelligence of UCL students!

When did UCL beat Imperial in a league table (excluding guardian)?
It's not about being "better", it's about being a more recognised and prestigious university. UCL is also the most-cited institution in the UK beating Oxford by 5 places and that's from 2008. I don't see why you find UCL's rise in the tables so absurd.
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UCL is also the most-cited institution in the UK
Yes because you teach EVERYTHING from Law to Construction studies!

When hairdressing becomes a degree UCL will teach it!
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Yes because you teach EVERYTHING from Law to Construction studies!

When hairdressing becomes a degree UCL will teach it!
Now you're just making up excuses to defend what you want to personally believe is true. Unfortunately the world does not work that way. Facts are facts, get over it; according to at least one world ranking table UCL is 4th, above Oxford now.

It's not like it directly affects your life anyway.
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Now you're just making up excuses to defend what you want to personally believe is true. Unfortunately the world does not work that way. Facts are facts, get over it; according to at least one world ranking table UCL is 4th, above Oxford now.

It's not like it directly affects your life anyway.
What the hell?

Are you silly? If you teach every single subject possible (which UCL certainly does) of course you're going to have more citations than all the other top universities!!!!

Can Imperial get more Viking Studies citations than UCL?
Can Oxford get more Audiology citations than UCL?
Can Cambridge get more Speech Therapy citations than UCL?

No
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UCL is, simply put, not a prestigious university. One can get into UCL without being super clever. To get into Oxford, Cambridge and more recently, Imperial you have to be super-smart.

UCL have upped their requirements for a lot (too many) courses to an A* next year, i guarantee they become unstuck. They think they are better than what they are.
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(Original post by billydisco)
UCL is, simply put, not a prestigious university. One can get into UCL without being super clever. To get into Oxford, Cambridge and more recently, Imperial you have to be super-smart
Really? Any examples maybe? Because I've met ppl who are lazy, really, really lazy, but everyone seems smart way beyond average.
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(Original post by billydisco)
What the hell?

Are you silly? If you teach every single subject possible (which UCL certainly does) of course you're going to have more citations than all the other top universities!!!!

Can Imperial get more Viking Studies citations than UCL?
Can Oxford get more Audiology citations than UCL?
Can Cambridge get more Speech Therapy citations than UCL?

No
The report I am refering took into account 21 subjects which are researched at all the universities considered. Also,

(Original post by Wikipedia)
UCL is shown to have won the most research awards with 174 awards amounting to £81,365,000. In second place Cambridge won 162 awards amounting to £74,263,000. In third place Oxford won 153 awards amounting to £54,750,000. This is thought to be the first time that a university other than Cambridge or Oxford has headed the table.
The point of my quoting this, paying special attention to the bit in bold, is so that you can see that UCL is pretty much on even playing ground as Oxford and Cambridge. It is usually behind them for research, yet it has now caught up and exceeded them.

(Original post by billydisco)
UCL is, simply put, not a prestigious university. One can get into UCL without being super clever. To get into Oxford, Cambridge and more recently, Imperial you have to be super-smart.

UCL have upped their requirements for a lot (too many) courses to an A* next year, i guarantee they become unstuck. They think they are better than what they are.
Within the United Kingdom, UCL has been identified as part of a new group of universities which has started to act as a self-conscious lobby and pressure group: known commonly as the G5.[105][106] According to the Times Higher Education Supplement (THES), the five institutions are the LSE, Imperial College London, University of Oxford, University of Cambridge and University College London, and it describes them as the super-elite (as all five are already members of the elite Russell Group).
So Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, Imperial and UCL are all considered the 5 most elite universities in the country. Did you say UCL isn't prestigious?

To add a bit more icing to the cake, UCL's strongest research areas are:

in Laws – 1st in the United Kingdom
in Clinical Medicine – 1st outside North America
in Neuroscience & Behaviour – 1st outside North America and 2nd in the world
in Psychiatry/Psychology – 2nd outside North America
in Immunology – 2nd in Europe
in Pharmacology & Toxicology – 1st outside North America and 4th in the world
in Social Sciences, General – 1st outside North America
These aren't academic at all, am I right? Not to mention, in some of these subject areas it appears UCL is beating either Oxford or Cambridge, if not both.

~Please open your mind to progress.~
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Really? Any examples maybe? Because I've met ppl who are lazy, really, really lazy, but everyone seems smart way beyond average.
Care to explain to me why my friend spent 4 years at UCL and encountered so many "thick asian rudeboy wannabes" there if its a prestigious university?
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