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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    How many people on here who go "ZOOOOOMG" your EVIL how can you say bullfighting is okay?!?!?"

    enjoyed watching gladiator, especially the violent scenes?

    Let alone horror porn films... or liveleak and sites like that...
    Special effects are totally the same as stabbing a live bull to death.
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    So basically you are saying that bullfighting is the worst thing in the world right now. Because I can think of far worse things happening to humans right now, whom I actually care about an awful lot more.
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    (Original post by I Love Dog)
    Special effects are totally the same as stabbing a live bull to death.
    Does this count?
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    (Original post by I Love Dog)
    Special effects are totally the same as stabbing a live bull to death.
    One of the main criticisms seems to be a kind of repulsion from our deriving pleasure from the spectacle...
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    no, look up bear baiting, it's even worse. disgusting.
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    (Original post by MagnificentFuhrer)
    I've been researching Spanish culture for Spanish class and I came across a bullfight on YouTube. If you skip to 5:05 in the vid, you'll see the ending for the bull isn't swift but rather torture! I used to think of bullfighting as just a cultural difference, but surley this sort of macabre torture can't be allowed in the 21st century, not in Europe anyhow.

    Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLDWj...eature=related
    if you skip to 5.05 you will see that actually the bull dies the second time it is stabbed, which is pretty swift

    and sickest spectacle on earth? not even close
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    One of the main criticisms seems to be a kind of repulsion from our deriving pleasure from the spectacle...
    Sure, but that's like saying watching Hostel is the same as watching a snuff film.

    (Original post by KissMyArtichoke)
    Does this count?
    Films in which animals actually die are quite a minority.
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    (Original post by Lewroll)
    Why do we need the opposite perspective? We all saw that bullfight and we all saw what happened. Saying that we need the opposite perspective is a silly thing to say.
    'Oh yeah rape is bad, but lets look at it from the point of view of the rapist...'
    I know thats considered worse than harming animals but you get my point.
    Have you actually read the book? I defy you to read the book and come away without at least some sentiment of sympathy for the (once) great sport of bullfighting.

    Anyway, of course you should here the point of view of the alleged rapist. Thats why we have courts of law. :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by I Love Dog)
    Sure, but that's like saying watching Hostel is the same as watching a snuff film.



    Films in which animals actually die are quite a minority.
    To enjoy watching the suffering in Hostel is seen as acceptable due to the suffering being simulated and not real. In the same way, enjoying the suffering in a bull fight is seen as acceptable due to people disregarding the sufferer as just an animal.
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    No, bear dancing is.
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    Your sig is the funniest thing I have read all day.

    Anyway if you liked my post you might like this (which I posted above but in case you missed it)
    Haha thank you. It's an actual quote too; not a Teveth-style make-believe quote.

    Aye, naturally, and in fact it echoes a thread I started a couple of months ago about 'multiculturalism' actually reducing the number and vibrancy of cultures and replacing them with a global homogenous culture; and thus that anyone in favour of true multiculturalism would allow each individual culture to maintain its identity.

    Though may I add there is perhaps a little too much emphasis on religious culture. As impressive as the church is, I still support secularism entirely and would suggest that anyone ought to really banish superstitious thought as much as possible.
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    It's sad. Very sad... There never was and never will be anything good about bullfighting. Breeding and keeping animals just to kill them for sport is sickening more so when the animal is practically tortured before being cruelly killed. It's like those people who breed game birds and keep them in cages where they literally can't move just to let them out and shoot them... should they be alive there's a dog on hand to finish it off and fetch it. (Before some retard comes in saying "lol but we breed animals to eat them ehehe) it's no where near the same as breeding them for a bloodsport).

    People seem to think because something has four legs it can't feel pain/distress the same way as something with two.

    Also I'd like to point out that some people who are unfortunately severely disabled probably have the mental capacity of an animal yet you'd find that perhaps MORE shocking than the murder of a regular person so there goes the "lol but animals don't have emotions etc" terrible argument.

    Unfortunately things like this and fox hunting have deep roots so I can't ever see them disappearing. Cannibalism, rape and sacrifice etc were once traditions too and thankfully they have (for the best part) been lost in time. Here's to hoping pointless blood sports end up the same way.

    And don't care about the neg from internet badmanz so go ahead.
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    Getting rid of bullfighting would do far more damage and actually harm bulls more.
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    Bullfighting will be banned in Catalonia come 2012. Great news.
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    (Original post by Ebbson)
    To enjoy watching the suffering in Hostel is seen as acceptable due to the suffering being simulated and not real. In the same way, enjoying the suffering in a bull fight is seen as acceptable due to people disregarding the sufferer as just an animal.
    Well yeah if you're talking about the perspective of people who attend bullfights, cockfights and the like. To a lot of people (including me) there's quite a moral distinction between enjoying simulated and real violence though.
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    (Original post by KissMyArtichoke)
    So basically you are saying that bullfighting is the worst thing in the world right now. Because I can think of far worse things happening to humans right now, whom I actually care about an awful lot more.
    This. What's more sickening is that people are devoting their whole lives to saving bulls, donkeys, dogs, etc. People are starving to death and dying of curable disease all over the world, yet they are ignored in favour of bulls? That's sick.
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    Pain and suffering, is part of life. But torturing animals for your pleasure is unacceptable.

    Anyway forget bull fighting, how many other things happen in the world? like hunting for fun? for the skin,

    I think those things hurt animals too. not to forget meat.
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    (Original post by MagnificentFuhrer)
    I've been researching Spanish culture for Spanish class and I came across a bullfight on YouTube. If you skip to 5:05 in the vid, you'll see the ending for the bull isn't swift but rather torture! I used to think of bullfighting as just a cultural difference, but surley this sort of macabre torture can't be allowed in the 21st century, not in Europe anyhow.

    Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLDWj...eature=related
    its not the sickest spectacle on earth but the sport is very wrong just like fox hunting.
    Animals aren't toys to play with and to butcher to death for entertainment.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    It may not be the worst though I'd still never go to one. A tradition that ought to die out, and is more likely if people stop going, as I cannot see the Spanish making it illegal.
    Bullfighting has been banned in a few regions of Spain. Get your facts right.
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    (Original post by KissMyArtichoke)
    So basically you are saying that bullfighting is the worst thing in the world right now. Because I can think of far worse things happening to humans right now, whom I actually care about an awful lot more.
    I think the OP meant 'spectacle' in the sense of a performance, rather than just any cruelty currently occurring in the world... I agree with him in that it's certainly one of the most disgusting things people will pay money to go and see. Though obviously there are plenty of other cultures with barbarically cruel forms of entertainment, it's not just Spain.
 
 
 
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