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    In the words of Mr James Gordon Brown, "I agree with Nick"

    Scrap all funding for mickey mouse crap!!!!!!!!!!!
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    (Original post by moomin-matt)
    theres a million and one things that coke can represent, what it can bring to somebodys experience living on earth, thats the power of art. and why people turn up to university every year and study and learn arts and humanities
    Or because they can't do anything else. :p:
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    (Original post by Maker)
    I love it when people say Hitler was a great poltician.
    Well dont get keen about it. lawlllll

    (Original post by Maker)
    He was a great politcian if judged by getting to lead a great nation like Germany but rubbish because he destroyed it and lost half of it to the Russians for nearly 40 years.

    Stalin is rubbish because he set up a system that was fated to fail, very slowly but failed never the less.

    By your standard, Chavez is a far better politician than Hitler because Venezuela
    is still whole while Germany was decimated.

    So Robert Mugabe is a great politician right?
    Well no, it wasnt "lost to the Russians", it was a separate regime, just with the same form of government formed out of remnants of German far left parties. You wouldnt have said that West Germany was lost to the Americans would you now.

    Well again no, unless you want to elaborate as to how the system which he developed "was fated to fail" then please refrain from such things.

    What do you mean "by my standards"? I fail to see where I have set out a system of precedent anywhere in my post? I didnt say Hitler was a good politician because he did or didnt keep power. Hitler can be argued to have been a good politician for the way, as I said, he brought an insignificant party into power and was able to create an arguable sustainable country. As far as judgement is concerned, well I agree this is questionable. Perhaps if he had been a bit more diplomatic and strategic with regards to his worldly conquests then it may not have been "decimated". While diplomacy should be an important skill for a politician to have, you stated that Hitler was the worst politician along with Stalin in the 20th century, which his rise to power shows that he certainly isnt.

    Chavez appears to be destroying the country as he tries to implement a socialist system in a short amount of time or care of the consequences of such a rushed transition. As I said, from what I know I would say Hitler was the better politician (POLITICIAN not PERSON, before the fascist or nazi apologist chants get thrown around).

    Well no, where did I ever say that Robert Mugabe is or isnt a good politician? If we are going to start putting words into each others mouths in order to discredit the others arguments then here is my contribution. So you think that the destruction of Germany was the worst thing Hitler did to humanity :O !! that was fun, but lets stick to what's actually said yah?
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    (Original post by wasabitofanidiot89)
    Makes sense - so long as they can get the money back somehow.

    Media studies is a cop out, and everyone knows it. No one with any potential is interested in 'media studies' over subjects such as art or english.....
    Have you studied Media Studies then?
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    No, but then again, I prefer art to it
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    (Original post by adam_zed)
    Well dont get keen about it. lawlllll



    Well no, it wasnt "lost to the Russians", it was a separate regime, just with the same form of government formed out of remnants of German far left parties. You wouldnt have said that West Germany was lost to the Americans would you now.

    Well again no, unless you want to elaborate as to how the system which he developed "was fated to fail" then please refrain from such things.

    What do you mean "by my standards"? I fail to see where I have set out a system of precedent anywhere in my post? I didnt say Hitler was a good politician because he did or didnt keep power. Hitler can be argued to have been a good politician for the way, as I said, he brought an insignificant party into power and was able to create an arguable sustainable country. As far as judgement is concerned, well I agree this is questionable. Perhaps if he had been a bit more diplomatic and strategic with regards to his worldly conquests then it may not have been "decimated". While diplomacy should be an important skill for a politician to have, you stated that Hitler was the worst politician along with Stalin in the 20th century, which his rise to power shows that he certainly isnt.

    Chavez appears to be destroying the country as he tries to implement a socialist system in a short amount of time or care of the consequences of such a rushed transition. As I said, from what I know I would say Hitler was the better politician (POLITICIAN not PERSON, before the fascist or nazi apologist chants get thrown around).

    Well no, where did I ever say that Robert Mugabe is or isnt a good politician? If we are going to start putting words into each others mouths in order to discredit the others arguments then here is my contribution. So you think that the destruction of Germany was the worst thing Hitler did to humanity :O !! that was fun, but lets stick to what's actually said yah?
    Hitler was an absolute disaster for Germany from the start to the end.

    His blunders includes the invasion of Russia against the advice of his generals, he declared war against America after Pearl Harbor when he did not have to and he became detached from reality towards the end of the war and was addicted to amphetamines. His poor judgement condemned Germany to defeat from 1941 onwards.

    Stalin was little better.
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    Wow, there's some very boring sounding people posting in this thread.
    Art & Design has had a huge impact on our world, you might make jokes about Art students and brag about how you're going to a proper University to do Medicine.
    But you know really how important it is, everything around you has been through a design process in some way.
    The worlds most famous paintings, and sculptures were created by Artists. As were the logos you wear on your clothes, the covers of your favourite CD's and the brilliant adverts that manage to stick with you.

    To say that any Art related course is less significant is ignorant. People have talents in different areas, we need ALL these people. We can't just train up a whole country of doctors, what'll happen then when graduate doctors can't find a job anywhere?
    Will we need some people knowledgeable enough to set up their own business, or maybe work in the Media industry?

    Come on, think logically. Some people on here sound so dull.
    Try and enjoy your life a bit, it's as if you're trying everything to prove to yourselves that your hardwork will be worth it, including attempts to belittle other people's degrees. It's so sad the way it's almost a competition to see who can get the best degree.
    Art students really couldn't care less what you think about them, they're doing what they love.
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    (Original post by The_Great_One)
    Apparently if this vote doesn't go through the next plan is to completely abolish funding to lower degrees such as media studies and business and give all of the money to the likes of science, maths and engineering, What do you think?

    Whats the point in even discussing this? If the fees vote doesn't go through then something as ludicrous as arbitrarily cutting funding to certain 'types' of degree wont either... :lolwut:
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    (Original post by Oswy)
    How many of those very wealthy media presenters, writers, producers and technicians and so on do you think did science and maths degrees? Media is a huge industry in the UK, you do know that?

    And for many UK universities business is the biggest money earning subject.

    Tip: thinking first, typing later.
    Interesting argument, have you got any stats for how many of these wealthy people actually did a media studies degree, and how many got there simply through experience and innate talent? I have a mild suspicion the media industry is a lot like IB, you don't need a degree in Economics to get in the latter(in fact many in that sector are science grads) and you probably don't need a degree in Media Studies to get into media, while to be a doctor you need a Medicine degree and to be an Electronics Engineer you need a degree in the subject.
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      (Original post by ish90an)
      Interesting argument, have you got any stats for how many of these wealthy people actually did a media studies degree, and how many got there simply through experience and innate talent? I have a mild suspicion the media industry is a lot like IB, you don't need a degree in Economics to get in the latter(in fact many in that sector are science grads) and you probably don't need a degree in Media Studies to get into media, while to be a doctor you need a Medicine degree and to be an Electronics Engineer you need a degree in the subject.
      I'm sure that plenty of people have made successes of themselves in the media without a media degree, indeed probably most have thusfar - media degrees undertaken on scale is a relatively new phenomenon. But given that the media is a huge, and growing, industry in the UK it's not unreasonable that the more people who make serious study of it and then enter the industry, the more competitive they and the UK sector will be. If the argument is that the role of university is to fuel the demands of capitalism (not my argument but it has come to prevail) then it makes sense for higher education to offer study in those sectors where there is growth. Once China get on their feet with their university science and engineering programme global investment is going to head that way. If they don't already, they will soon have more science and engineering graduates than we have graduates of any kind, media studies or otherwise. Maybe the government should ensure every science and engineering degree comes with an introduction to mandarin
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      (Original post by Oswy)
      I'm sure that plenty of people have made successes of themselves in the media without a media degree, indeed probably most have thusfar - media degrees undertaken on scale is a relatively new phenomenon. But given that the media is a huge, and growing, industry in the UK it's not unreasonable that the more people who make serious study of it and then enter the industry, the more competitive they and the UK sector will be. If the argument is that the role of university is to fuel the demands of capitalism (not my argument but it has come to prevail) then it makes sense for higher education to offer study in those sectors where there is growth. Once China get on their feet with their university science and engineering programme global investment is going to head that way. If they don't already, they will soon have more science and engineering graduates than we have graduates of any kind, media studies or otherwise. Maybe the government should ensure every science and engineering degree comes with an introduction to mandarin
      Not everything that is good business has to be taught at university. Football is big business in the UK, I doubt the next Ronaldo or Messi will emerge from Oxford's brand new Football studies course. Investment Banking is big business, there are no universities offering courses called IB. If plumbing became big for the UK tomorrow I doubt a degree in plumbing would help produce better quality plumbers. University may exist to provide talent for a capitalist society, but all business in a capitalist society does not need university.
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      Id like to know exactly which business degrees you class as "mickey mouse". Other than marketing, generic management and HR obviously haha.
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      SOme degrees are crappy, but arts and humanities degrees help to grow the economy.
     
     
     
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