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    (Original post by i'm no superman)
    I can't believe being a runner up for a national prize counts for nothing on the MTAS form!
    Yeah, pretty ****e. Will do for ST though, surely?
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    Yeah, pretty ****e. Will do for ST though, surely?
    Lol so I'd need to go into psychiatry for it to count for something?

    It's near impossible to get some of those points. I don't think I'll ever get as close to getting it in the next three years before I apply. No harm trying and being a runner up. The certificate looks nice at least!
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    Lol so I'd need to go into psychiatry for it to count for something?

    It's near impossible to get some of those points. I don't think I'll ever get as close to getting it in the next three years before I apply. No harm trying and being a runner up. The certificate looks nice at least!
    I just relied on being a bull**** king in my FY post. Worked like a boss but now I know I'm getting pummelled for ST applications as I've still got nought!
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    One of the things listed on the person specification for core surgical training (and ortho st3) is "relevant extra curricular activities". What on earth is a relevant extra curricular for surgery? "I enjoy performing surgery on my pets on the kitchen table"? :wtf:
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    One of the things listed on the person specification for core surgical training (and ortho st3) is "relevant extra curricular activities". What on earth is a relevant extra curricular for surgery? "I enjoy performing surgery on my pets on the kitchen table"? :wtf:
    Well at our uni I am guessing running surg soc would be that.

    Argh I really should start thinking about doing something. but I don't know what field I want to go in (as in other than not surgery) and am currently just drifting through which means at some point I worry I will just come to a short sudden stop.
    Sigh.
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    (Original post by Becca-Sarah)
    One of the things listed on the person specification for core surgical training (and ortho st3) is "relevant extra curricular activities". What on earth is a relevant extra curricular for surgery? "I enjoy performing surgery on my pets on the kitchen table"? :wtf:
    A hobby that demonstrates fine dexterity of your hands is the obvious one that springs to mind e.g musical instrument, art etc.

    Also attendance at events like basic surgical skills day.
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    A hobby that demonstrates fine dexterity of your hands is the obvious one that springs to mind e.g musical instrument, art etc.

    Also attendance at events like basic surgical skills day.
    Finally, knitting becomes useful and CV-worthy :awesome:

    Is it possible as a student to get on anything more advanced than basic surgical skills? I get frustrated at paying to be taught things I can be taught to do for free in theatre in my own time or that I can already do.
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    (Original post by Becca-Sarah)
    Is it possible as a student to get on anything more advanced than basic surgical skills? I get frustrated at paying to be taught things I can be taught to do for free in theatre in my own time or that I can already do.
    The difference is that you get certified for the basic surgical skills day whereas you have little physical to show for free teaching in theatre no matter how good it is. Beyond surgical skills though there are things like ATLS and ALERT courses which are always good. I'm not sure it's best to do them as a med student as they might expire by the time you'd be applying.
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    (Original post by Captain Crash)
    The difference is that you get certified for the basic surgical skills day whereas you have little physical to show for free teaching in theatre no matter how good it is. Beyond surgical skills though there are things like ATLS and ALERT courses which are always good. I'm not sure it's best to do them as a med student as they might expire by the time you'd be applying.
    ATLS is valid for four years, before re-validation is needed.

    So ideally taking it during, intercalation or in 5th year would be ideal in order for it to be valid when applying for speciality training.

    The re-validation course is only 1 day, so far easier to renew than book into a 3 day course.
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    So ideally taking it during, intercalation or in 5th year would be ideal in order for it to be valid when applying for speciality training.
    Have never heard of a student taking the full course. I thought, like paramedics, they would attend ATLS as a form of observer.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    Have never heard of a student taking the full course. I thought, like paramedics, they would attend ATLS as a form of observer.
    Apparently the full course is taken by 4th year students intercalating in emergency care. I would have assumed 5th years would be able to take it as well?
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    Have never heard of a student taking the full course. I thought, like paramedics, they would attend ATLS as a form of observer.
    How do you apply to attend as an observer? I presume/hope the £550 fee wouldn't apply??
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    (Original post by Becca-Sarah)
    How do you apply to attend as an observer? I presume/hope the £550 fee wouldn't apply??
    Up 'ere you have to ask the Registrars and Consultants involved w/ it. That's how a chap up here got in.
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    (Original post by carcinoma)
    Apparently the full course is taken by 4th year students intercalating in emergency care. I would have assumed 5th years would be able to take it as well?
    "This course is recommended for doctors who are within their first or second year of specialist training. We do have some places for those non medically qualified staff who would benefit from attending the course such A & E nurses ODP's etc. These places are offered as an observer and a certificate of attendance will be issued for all those attending the full course. Observers are expected to take the role of the nurse helper in the final scenario exam. "

    Observers still pay full fee I believe.
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    (Original post by Jamie)
    "This course is recommended for doctors who are within their first or second year of specialist training. We do have some places for those non medically qualified staff who would benefit from attending the course such A & E nurses ODP's etc. These places are offered as an observer and a certificate of attendance will be issued for all those attending the full course. Observers are expected to take the role of the nurse helper in the final scenario exam. "

    Observers still pay full fee I believe.
    I have just checked and in fact they do the 2-day "Pre Hospital Trauma Life support" not the 3-day ATLS
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    Up 'ere you have to ask the Registrars and Consultants involved w/ it. That's how a chap up here got in.
    Ta Was thinking I'd do it down here since I'm far more likely to have 3 days off now than once clinicals start, but will keep that in mind. Don't suppose you know who runs it? The name I've found doesn't ring any bells.
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    I have just checked and in fact they do the 2-day "Pre Hospital Trauma Life support" not the 3-day ATLS
    Went on a PHTLS course as an observer last year, really interesting. Fed, watered, was a patient in their sceanarios and got a certificate. Weekend out with LAS.
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    Example CV attached (based on mine if it wasn't obvious)

    You will find many different examples of medical CVs out there.
    Presenting a CV is like presenting a patient. You need to give a clear indication of who you are and what you are capable of.

    There is little need to quote GCSE results or give a mini essay on your jobs as a house officer, but it is useful to give a little explanation as to your role.

    Explaining your role is crucial when it comes to papers, audits and teaching.
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    Thanks again Jamie!

    I'm getting my game face on for these next few years.

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    :eek: So the non-medic CV rules of 'no more than 2 sides of A4' go out the window then...
 
 
 
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