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I'm Muslim, do you hate me? If so, why?

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I just think if you read into it a bit more, you'd consider/realise that it isn't just a made up story, and therefore, you would not be so dismissive of religion. Maybe the bad thing about religion is you have to care enough to spend the time looking at the different religions, and figure out why this one is wrong, why the next one is maybe right, until you find the one which makes sense. Then you go even further, and try to pick out every bit you can until you can be sure its acceptable, before fully devoting yourself to it. Many people believing in religion don't take this route, but in a way it is one of the only ways to actually commit yourself to a religion, otherwise there will always be doubt in your mind. People can teach you things, but ultimately, its all biased when it comes down to religion.

Doubt also leads to arguments, where people are not sure what they believe in, and eventually war, where people believe that flying a plane into the "non-believers" will grant them a place in heaven, or bombing catholics/protestants is the right way to express their religion. Infact, if they really believed in their religion, it actually guarentees them one of the deepest slots in hell, and all religions will teach this.

I was under the impression that athiesm was the belief that God doesn't exist, so its a belief, so its a religion in a sense, isn't it? It's just that it consists of doing whatever you want for the rest of your life, so there isn't really much to it to be considered a religion.

And I don't take it as an attack, and hope you don't either :biggrin:

Well, choosing to follow a religion for the reasons you have is credible, and I can;t really argue against that, as you see to genuinely believe it is the right choice. But it sounds like you had to go though a lot of effort to get there. If there was just 1 religion, and people either followed it or didn't, I probably wouldn't hate it as much. But the logic I use for being an atheist is as follows:

Like I said in my last post, you are either religious (follow a religion, set or rules etc.) or you are not. A or B. Now, at least some religions have to be incorrect. Certain religious imply other religions cannot be true, Christian's God cannot co-exist with Allah. So assuming either Christianity or Islam is correct (not both), then the other HAS TO be false. So, we now have proof that at least some of the religions out there are false. Since there is just as much/little evidence supporting each religion, I would consider the fact that if one of them is proved wrong, this would be evidence for others being wrong also, going with conventional logic. If 99% of God's were proved to be false, it seems reasonable to assume the remaining 1% is also false. So if 99% of religions are proved to be false (assuming of course each religion implies it is the only correct one, which may not be the case, but either way doesn't discredit my point), it seems logical to assume the other 1% is also false. So we know that if you go with option A, you definitely have the potential to be wrong. Since faults can be proved with religions, it seems more safe and logical to be atheist.

Atheism is kind of the lack of a belief. Perhaps by definition it is a religion, but using my games console analogy (which I personally think shows my point quite well), I don't think it should be, otherwise it would be impossible not be religious. I'm proud to say I'm not religious, which I think atheism implies.

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Jarlsberg

Don't know you, can't comment if I like you or not.