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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    He's entitled to his view, and the fact you can't separate his opinion from your own prejudices shows that you are merely supporting insubstantial tribalism over meaningful debate and discussion.

    Very poor.
    meaningless debate? NO

    Very poor? YES...you cannot understand the former without the latter.
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    (Original post by chinaberry)
    How?
    There's no reassurance that anyone really is who they say they are and conceptions of what middle class is are skewed according to which class you belong to...
    well stfu and go back to china.
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    Anyone watch the BBC news this evening?

    I was FUMING! He had the audacity to say that he had researched the proposals and that it's the best option.

    FUTHERmore, he adds "i 100% guarantee it wont affect access to higher education".

    I was outraged. He sounded like an upper to middle class chap and frankly he was insulting my intelligence. I am working class and recently graduated from UCL and i can "guarantee" him that if the fees were £9000 a year, i'd not have gone to university. Many of my fellow *real* working class poor people share this view. This toff on TV has nothing that qualifies him to say how we REAL working class people will make our further education decisions.

    Discuss.

    Edit: Keep the neg rep coming you elitist scum! TSR's true colours are coming out. This forum is full of middle to upper class snobs who don't give two hoots about normal working class people.
    You're right. We don't care about "normal" (lazy and stupid) working class people.

    **** the poor.
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    well stfu and go back to china.
    That's a nice, informed response. I am from Europe, thank you very much!
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    meaningless debate? NO

    Very poor? YES...you cannot understand the former without the latter.
    You aren't basing any of these views on fact or intellectual discussion. Which makes you, a braindead moron.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    You aren't basing any of these views on fact or intellectual discussion. Which makes you, a braindead moron.
    better a braindead moron than a toff.
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    I was outraged. He sounded like an upper to middle class chap and frankly he was insulting my intelligence. I am working class and recently graduated from UCL and i can "guarantee" him that if the fees were £9000 a year, i'd not have gone to university. Many of my fellow *real* working class poor people share this view. This toff on TV has nothing that qualifies him to say how we REAL working class people will make our further education decisions.
    Do you know what, seriously, **** off.
    I am sick of hearing about how this fee rise will 'destroy the chances of the working class', 'ruin a generation of the genius poor' etc. It's total rubbish. The only class that will suffer because of this are the middle class, who are being punished for being hard-working. The middle AND working class students take out the SAME student loans from the SAME company, both classes end up with debt. But the middle class students are just assumed to be receiving massive personal grants from their parents. This is not the case whatsoever. On the other hand, the working class students are eligible for a whole host of grants and bursaries. Let me ask you this, if the working class students are SO intelligent, why shouldn't they have to pay back a massive student loan (like the middle class students) when they receive the high-paying jobs that their degree opens up to them?
    Middle class and working class graduates have the same jobs available to them, why shouldn't the working class have to pay back an equal debt if they're so clever?
    If you're struggling for money, go and get a job like the rest of us and SAVE.

    It's just another way to screw over the middle class students. So seriously, take your higher pay-back limit and your bursaries and **** off back to the Socialist Worker's Party.

    /rant over.
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    (Original post by chinaberry)
    That's a nice, informed response. I am from Europe, thank you very much!
    :rofl: funny
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    The labour party created an unsustainable system, this is the best optiion of how to deal with it.
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    Anyone watch the BBC news this evening?

    I was FUMING! He had the audacity to say that he had researched the proposals and that it's the best option.

    FUTHERmore, he adds "i 100% guarantee it wont affect access to higher education".

    I was outraged. He sounded like an upper to middle class chap and frankly he was insulting my intelligence. I am working class and recently graduated from UCL and i can "guarantee" him that if the fees were £9000 a year, i'd not have gone to university. Many of my fellow *real* working class poor people share this view. This toff on TV has nothing that qualifies him to say how we REAL working class people will make our further education decisions.

    Discuss.
    If you have a degree from a decent uni you can no longer call yourself 'working class'. You'd be lower middle class 'scum', y'know the kind you hate.
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    It is good!

    Means people won't waste their time doing some pointless degree and racking up loads of debt. The whole labour idea that everyone should go to uni isnt necessarily right- you should go if you want to but its needs to be worthwhile doing it. Otherwise you might as well just get a job and go from there!

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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    better a braindead moron than a toff.
    Er. No.

    Better someone who was educated and had intelligence, irrespective of his or her income, than a fool like yourself who has proved can't make a coherent point to save his life.
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    (Original post by Einheri)
    If you have a degree from a decent uni you can no longer call yourself 'working class'. You'd be lower middle class 'scum', y'know the kind you hate.
    maybe some people like yourself and the liberals have no principle, but I say working class will always be working class! Hear Hear!
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    (Original post by Callipygian)
    The labour party created an unsustainable system, this is the best optiion of how to deal with it.
    an 80% cut in the education budget is NOT the best way to deal with labours unsustainable system I refuse to ever believe it. They should get vodaphone and philip green to pay his tax bills before they meddle with student's lives.
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    maybe some people like yourself and the liberals have no principle, but I say working class will always be working class! Hear Hear!
    Wow, so a brain surgeon, a Professor of Ancient Greek, and a Fine Art critic are all working class if they were born into a working class family? Or do they have to fulfill a quota of hours spent in the pub watching football or something?
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    (Original post by Einheri)
    Wow, so a brain surgeon, a Professor of Ancient Greek, and a Fine Art critic are all working class if they were born into a working class family? Or do they have to fulfill a quota of hours spent in the pub watching football or something?
    yes if they were born into it, they are still working class. If they become rich and the act all posh and arrogant, then by all means, take them. If i became a brain surgeon, or prof of ancient greek, i would never forget my roots. Class is not something you can buy, you are born into it. Even if i had loads of dosh, i wouldn't be able to hack that posh lifestyle.

    Consider david beckham for example. That guy is minted, as is wayne rooney, but i consider them both working class cos of their mind set, their up bringing, and their principles and the way they talk.
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    Well, I've had a look at the proposals, and the rate I would be paying. Doing law, assuming I become a solicitor or barrister, I would pay it back at a higher rate. My mum, who is going to do a nursing degree, would be paying it back at a lower rate.

    Sort of speaks for itself.
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    (Original post by jumpingjesusholycow)
    Er. No.

    Better someone who was educated and had intelligence, irrespective of his or her income, than a fool like yourself who has proved can't make a coherent point to save his life.
    Well, at least he lives according to his principles. He is a braindead moron.
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    (Original post by LawBore)
    Well, at least he lives according to his principles. He is a braindead moron.
    The same could be argued for racists and nationalists. I'm sure they 'live according to their principals' too :hmmm:
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    (Original post by blue_shift86)
    ywayne rooney, and their principles
    Wayne and principles?:teehee::noway:

    Lets ask Colleen and those hookers shall we? Or Sir Alex about how Wayne threw a paddy for higher wages?

    If you feel that he is an embodiment of working class principles, then I'd hate to know what you do in your spare time.
 
 
 
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