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  • View Poll Results: Is the profession of female stripping degrading to women, or empowering to women?
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    (Original post by Holly Hiskey)
    £800?? Nice. God I wish I could dance haha
    Haha me too, maybe some day I will have an amazing body and then... :lol:
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    That's exactly my point. When people think of prostitution it goes hand in hand with all the crap that currently isn't legal. It's a technicality.
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      I really don't understand how it can be degrading or empowering. Those who voted degrading probably have some sort of religious (or otherwise) moral code which usually dictates that women should not be viewed as 'objects' and stripping makes them look like one. Then what about male strippers?

      There are many problems if one considers stripping to be immoral or degrading.
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      (Original post by prescilla)
      Haha me too, maybe some day I will have an amazing body and then... :lol:
      On that note, I'm going to vacate this discussion in favour of a chocolate bar and a nap haha
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      (Original post by tazarooni89)
      I'm just interested to find out what the general consensus on this topic is. Do you consider the profession of female strippers to be degrading to women, or empowering to women?

      Do you think it shows that women truly have the choice to do what they want to do and be who they want to be? Or do you think it discredits the actual person inside the body, and presents women as little more than mere pleasure objects in the subordination of men?

      I've added a poll. Please explain why you chose whichever option you did.

      Edit: Might be interesting to get some female viewpoints on the matter too.
      I think it's both. It is empowering in the sense that, I would imagine it's their choice. And degrading in the sense that it's a low skilled job but I won't judge them much (because I would probably subconsciously judge them) because of that, heck I worked in a low skilled job before. Would I have a problem with my daughter/son becoming one? Yes. Would I stop them becoming one? Yes and no. Yes in the sense that I would most likely raise them in a certain way to reduce the probability of it happening. And no in the sense that if happens then I wouldn't stop them becoming one. I would have a problem with my son/daughter becoming a janitor or cleaner but I wouldn't stop them. Although I don't fully see them the same way due to societal values and the values that I was raised with. But, I am sure if there was the same stigma attached to strippers as there was to janitors and cleaners then I would.
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      (Original post by Jimbo1234)
      Easy, you get boobs out, guy pays you lots of money. I can imagine some people would take it as a complement because how many people can say that they are so hot that people will pay them good money to simply see them naked?
      Working ridiculously antisocial hours to slide across some of the most unattractive men ever just wouldn't appeal to me to be honest. I suppose this has changed in modern times, but traditionally, being known as a "stripper" hasn't been a particularly nice label to have. Call me prejudiced or whatever, but if someone introduces themselves as a stripper it doesn't fill me with the best thoughts.

      I suppose the main concern I have about the whole thing is just the label and all the prejudice that goes with it. Many people when they hear someone is a stripper just think "filth".
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      (Original post by Boobies.)
      Don't you think it might feel a tad soul crushing, having a job where you have to perform for guys who see you just as a sex object? I think especially if you're intelligent its quite degrading.
      In so far as most jobs are soul crushing, and involve being seen as some form of object or another, stripping is far from the worst.
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      (Original post by Wookie42)
      Working ridiculously antisocial hours to slide across some of the most unattractive men ever just wouldn't appeal to me to be honest. I suppose this has changed in modern times, but traditionally, being known as a "stripper" hasn't been a particularly nice label to have. Call me prejudiced or whatever, but if someone introduces themselves as a stripper it doesn't fill me with the best thoughts.

      I suppose the main concern I have about the whole thing is just the label and all the prejudice that goes with it. Many people when they hear someone is a stripper just think "filth".
      You are aware they get paid about £20 an hour?
      Many girls think this covers all the 'down sides' of the job.
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      (Original post by Jimbo1234)
      You are aware they get paid about £20 an hour?
      Many girls think this covers all the 'down sides' of the job.
      yeah I work on a bar and I think Id feel more degraded working on the bar in a strip club and knowing how much they are getting paid compared to me
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      (Original post by Annoying-Mouse)
      I think it's both. It is empowering in the sense that, I would imagine it's their choice. And degrading in the sense that it's a low skilled job but I won't judge them much (because I would probably subconsciously judge them) because of that, heck I worked in a low skilled job before. Would I have a problem with my daughter/son becoming one? Yes. Would I stop them becoming one? Yes and no. Yes in the sense that I would most likely raise them in a certain way to reduce the probability of it happening. And no in the sense that if happens then I wouldn't stop them becoming one. I would have a problem with my son/daughter becoming a janitor or cleaner but I wouldn't stop them. Although I don't fully see them the same way due to societal values and the values that I was raised with. But, I am sure if there was the same stigma attached to strippers as there was to janitors and cleaners then I would.
      Do you not think though, that some things can be degrading even if the people choose to do it? A lot of people have mentioned on this thread that they think it is empowering because it is their choice. Can a person not choose to do something which degrades them?
      Hypothetical situation - a black person moves to a western country where most people are white. He feels self conscious and ashamed of his 'immigrant' status, so he bleaches his skin to try to look white, dyes his hair blonde, and adopts a new western name so that nobody knows he's black. Even though it's his choice, I would have personally thought he was degrading himself, in the sense that he underestimates his own value and sort of acts as a proponent of the idea that being black is somehow a bad thing. Would you agree?

      Also, you say you would have a problem with your child becoming a stripper, and would raise them in a way to reduce the probability of it happening. Why is this? Is it purely because you wouldn't like them to be subject to societal stigma, and it happens to be contrary to (possibly arbitrary) values you were raised with? Or do you think there's something about the nature of the profession which means there's a good reason for the stigma associated with it?
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      (Original post by tazarooni89)
      Do you not think though, that some things can be degrading even if the people choose to do it? A lot of people have mentioned on this thread that they think it is empowering because it is their choice. Can a person not choose to do something which degrades them?

      Hypothetical situation - a black person moves to a western country where most people are white. He feels self conscious and ashamed of his 'immigrant' status, so he bleaches his skin to try to look white, dyes his hair blonde, and adopts a new western name so that nobody knows he's black. Even though it's his choice, I would have personally thought he was degrading himself, in the sense that he underestimates his own value and sort of acts as a proponent of the idea that being black is somehow a bad thing. Would you agree?
      Isn't this akin to wearing make up or put on perfume? The most common reason to wear make up is to 'look better/pretty'. They do this because societal values judge and discriminate against those that are 'ugly', they're 'ashamed' of their natural looks so have to cover up. Do you believe that to be degrading? If we extend this viewpoint then surely we could make every thing that's done out of social pressure seem degrading? Do you believe that everything done out of social pressure is degrading? The reasons why he feel self conscious is important, in a society that is openly accepting and welcoming I doubt he would feel the need to feel ashamed. Are young homosexuals who are still in the closet degrading themselves? It may not necessarily be empowerment but is it degrading?

      Also, you say you would have a problem with your child becoming a stripper, and would raise them in a way to reduce the probability of it happening. Why is this? Is it purely because you wouldn't like them to be subject to societal stigma, and it happens to be contrary to (possibly arbitrary) values you were raised with? Or do you think there's something about the nature of the profession which means there's a good reason for the stigma associated with it?
      Social stigma only plays a minor part most of it's to do with the environment I grew up in, the viewpoint I saw things from. The most common argument are that they're 'selling their bodies' but this argument can equally apply to manual workers who are 'selling their bodies' in return for cash. Stripping although relatively easy is still hard and becomes harder as the profession becomes more organized. Females are choosing to provide entertainment to their audiences akin to the way comedians do. They do this through taking their clothes off and dancing which I don't see nothing wrong because your body is your property.

      Lets make an assumption that the majority of strippers are pressured (through lack of ability to attain their financial needs) into the job, is this degrading? In a sense yes, yes it is but I don't think it's more degrading then a person being forced to work as a cashier in tesco. But, then again is it really degrading? Is it your fault that you have to lower your self? Is there any other options? I don't believe that the act of simply choosing to strip is degrading in itself rather the reasons behind the act can be degrading.

      Why do you believe it to be degrading (the act of stripping)?
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      (Original post by tazarooni89)
      I'm just interested to find out what the general consensus on this topic is. Do you consider the profession of female strippers to be degrading to women, or empowering to women?

      Do you think it shows that women truly have the choice to do what they want to do and be who they want to be? Or do you think it discredits the actual person inside the body, and presents women as little more than mere pleasure objects in the subordination of men?

      I've added a poll. Please explain why you chose whichever option you did.

      Edit: Might be interesting to get some female viewpoints on the matter too.
      Degrading. I would not respect any female who did this, unless there was some extreme circumstance, like needs to feed her starving children or something.
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      Its a bit like being in the army, its a job at the end of the day but I wouldn't recommend it.
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      (Original post by tazarooni89)
      Do you not think though, that some things can be degrading even if the people choose to do it? A lot of people have mentioned on this thread that they think it is empowering because it is their choice. Can a person not choose to do something which degrades them?
      Hypothetical situation - a black person moves to a western country where most people are white. He feels self conscious and ashamed of his 'immigrant' status, so he bleaches his skin to try to look white, dyes his hair blonde, and adopts a new western name so that nobody knows he's black. Even though it's his choice, I would have personally thought he was degrading himself, in the sense that he underestimates his own value and sort of acts as a proponent of the idea that being black is somehow a bad thing. Would you agree?

      Also, you say you would have a problem with your child becoming a stripper, and would raise them in a way to reduce the probability of it happening. Why is this? Is it purely because you wouldn't like them to be subject to societal stigma, and it happens to be contrary to (possibly arbitrary) values you were raised with? Or do you think there's something about the nature of the profession which means there's a good reason for the stigma associated with it?
      We live in a materialistic/consumer secular society.Some women do stripping and prostitution to maintain their lifestyle and some do it to make ends meet or pay off debts.

      Yes it's degrading but for some lifestyle is more important.

      Plus some women realise that alot of money can be made with the least amount of hard work.
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      (Original post by Charzhino)
      And lol @ the somali pirate abuse SomaliMan gets. Thats 4 different threads Ive seen now with people calling him that :rofl:
      You seem to be obsessed with him to be honest
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      (Original post by Cesar Lecat)
      You seem to be obsessed with him to be honest
      He must have multiple accounts!!!!! :eek4:

      I dunno, probably shouldn't post while sober.
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      (Original post by Cesar Lecat)
      You seem to be obsessed with him to be honest
      What are you talking about thats the first time Ive mentioned his name. Are you on drugs
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      (Original post by Charzhino)
      What are you talking about thats the first time Ive mentioned his name. Are you on drugs
      Calm down princess. It's just that you said "4 different threads", which must mean you must be keeping tabs on him

      Were those 4 different threads spaced out over a number of days or just today alone?

      Oh and learn how to use a question mark. Very annoying if people don't.
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      (Original post by tailschao)
      Absolutely. No difference whatsoever. Seriously, I don't have the same puritanical view of sex that many people seem to.

      Most people in this supposedly modern society still seem to class people in the sex industry (and related sectors) as being some kind of second class citizens. At best, they view them with condescension and misplaced pity. And frankly, it doesn't make any sense to me.

      It's a job. So what if it's "using ur body lolz nd thats bad lolz"? Every single manual-labour based industry on the planet is based around workers utilising their physical attributes in order to provide a service in exchange for money. I see no difference. (I think I've posted that here before actually, it sounds familiar).

      I dunno where it all comes from. Probably some leftover religious crap or something. "Sex is bad". Right. Yeah. 'course it is.


      I'd go a step further with your question and say I would also have no problems with my girlfriend/wife/whatever being in such a profession either. In fact I'd probably prefer it - being open about such things and not having arbitrary mental hangups is attractive to me.

      Is it possible that if I were ever in the situation for real things might be different? Possibly, I suppose, but I would never for a second expect it to be.
      It would be quite ironic if karma kicks you in the balls now and makes your daughter a porn star lol. You make some fair points but in all honesty I think that if you saw your wife or daughter having to bare her naked genitalia to a bunch of sweaty old men for a private dance or if you had to see her 'choosing' to get degraded in a porn film you might not be so blase about it.

      I admit that I myself am very hypocritical on the issue since I regularly watch porn and have been to strip clubs sporadically. However, I think that it would take a man of strong stomach to see his daughter being DP'ed in a porno or rubbing herself all over strangers several times a night.
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      (Original post by Jimbo1234)
      You are aware they get paid about £20 an hour?
      Many girls think this covers all the 'down sides' of the job.
      Oh of course, £20 is probably an understatement. However money can't buy dignity or self respect which is the only point I'm trying to make.
     
     
     
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