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    Reading between the lines, I think this is partly a bit of stupidity on the part of Harriet Harman (no surprise there) but also partly picking up on a small part of what she was saying and making it the entire issue. She was really talking in general about people in Britain who send money back to families in other countries, and the issue of those with benefits sending money is simply a difficult corollary to that.

    She even talks about tax relief for those sending money to foreign countries, which is a very definite signal that she's primarily talking about people who are working. Of course, the Daily Mail has decided to slant it as being all about people on benefits but nobody would reasonably suggest that's what her intention was. She was just very foolish not to realise that those on benefits sending money to other countries are a special case where sending money home is not laudable because that's the sort of thing the media will pick up on.

    On a more general note, though: why do people have such issues with tax money going to other countries? I don't think anybody in the modern world can pretend that each country is isolated and should stand or fall on its own, and 0.7% of our budget is an incredibly small amount to spend on foreign aid when you consider the problems worldwide that wealthier countries are doing very little about.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Better standard of living than France and Germany, you sure?


    in terms of how much benefit money we throw at them? Give them a free 100,000 pound house?
    Yes, as we give free 100,000 houses to all immigrants. None of them work for their houses and try to earn an income. That's exactly what happens.
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    (Original post by tieyourmotherdown)
    As for the story, I really don't see it as that controversial to be honest. It's basically how the free market works, shockingly enough.
    Free market......... regarding benefit money? Isn't that an oxymoron?
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    (Original post by Time Tourist)
    34 posts in before someone called "racist!" i.e. TSR Racism, not too bad for TSR.
    Teehee my bad :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by TotalLifeForever)
    Yes, as we give free 100,000 houses to all immigrants. None of them work for their houses and try to earn an income. That's exactly what happens.
    Well firstly yes all immigrants are given a house and in the south of england you wont find many houses cheaper than 100,000- so yes.

    I didnt say none of them work, but a large amount dont!

    Are they giving us skills we dont already have? I bet not....
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Well firstly yes all immigrants are given a house and in the south of england you wont find many houses cheaper than 100,000- so yes.

    I didnt say none of them work, but a large amount dont!

    Are they giving us skills we dont already have? I bet not....
    'All immigrants are given a house'

    I think that pretty much sums up your argument. Ignorant.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Free market......... regarding benefit money? Isn't that an oxymoron?
    To a degree, yes, but I'm not pro-absence of any market intervention. I just think that in this instance it's really not a big deal when the people they're sending it to live in worse conditions than we can ever dream of. You can say "Oh we ought to help out our own people first!", but ultimately why? Because they happened to be born within the same borders as you? What a ridiculous logic.

    Basically if the money is going to people who need it more than we do here, I'm really not going to argue against it.
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    I've said it before and I'll probably say it again but Harriet Harman needs to be shot. In the brain. Repeatedly. With nuclear missles.
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    (Original post by TotalLifeForever)
    I don't even know if I want to reply, your ignorance is making me so angry. Where shall they have their English lessons then? Maybe the people coming from poverty who don't have an education will be able to go to their local college...oh wait, it may not exist, be open or to them or they may not be able to afford them. Yes, that's why they come here!

    Before the benefit system, yes, there were those things. FOR THE UPPER CLASSES. If you're trying to tell me that the people in poverty were proud and motivated, you are an idiot. They lived in squalor and had to accept they had no chance. There was little education, and no chance of social mobility.
    It's not really ignorant to suggest that those moving to a country should be expected to speak the most widely spoken language here - if not, how are they to survive? Oh wait, it's okay, our government offers a free for all.

    They could have them here? I'm not suggesting we make them all English Graduates, merely able to read and write to a basic standard, so they can work and provide for themselves.

    Lol, no, that was for all classes. In the depression, the people singing onto the dole because they had to were so ashamed, because they had pride and morals. Nowadays, they sit in their uneducated masses proudly proclaiming it's a lifestyle choice. It makes my blood boil.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Free market......... regarding benefit money? Isn't that an oxymoron?
    It's not benefit money. Other sources show that Harriet was praising those who come over here, get jobs and send their hard-earned money back home to help educate and care for their families wherever they are.

    Determined to ignore that, aren't you.
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    (Original post by future_hopeful_uk)
    Well firstly yes all immigrants are given a house and in the south of england you wont find many houses cheaper than 100,000- so yes.
    Troll. You absolutely cannot be serious. Even the BNP's biggest knucklehead wouldn't make statements like that, and that should be telling you something.
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    (Original post by tieyourmotherdown)
    To a degree, yes, but I'm not pro-absence of any market intervention. I just think that in this instance it's really not a big deal when the people they're sending it to live in worse conditions than we can ever dream of. You can say "Oh we ought to help out our own people first!", but ultimately why? Because they happent to be born within the same borders as you? What a ridiculous logic.

    Basically if the money is going to people who need it more than we do here, I'm really not going to argue against it.
    Amen.
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    (Original post by This Is Not A Username)
    I probably wouldn't do a very good job of explaining why this article is a load of *******s, so I'll just direct you here:

    http://www.butireaditinthepaper.co.u...ut-immigrants/

    I think that just about covers it.
    That is a really good website. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    It's not really ignorant to suggest that those moving to a country should be expected to speak the most widely spoken language here - if not, how are they to survive? Oh wait, it's okay, our government offers a free for all.

    They could have them here? I'm not suggesting we make them all English Graduates, merely able to read and write to a basic standard, so they can work and provide for themselves.

    Lol, no, that was for all classes. In the depression, the people singing onto the dole because they had to were so ashamed, because they had pride and morals. Nowadays, they sit in their uneducated masses proudly proclaiming it's a lifestyle choice. It makes my blood boil.
    You are just repeating the same views that people come here with no education and scrounge off of us. If that wealth is being given to people that really are in need of it, why shouldn't they be allowed it?
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    I don't see what the problem is?

    Contributing to the education of those abroad, in poorer conditions will lead to a wealthier and improved global economy, and will not only benefit Britain as a result of the mass globalization that has taken place, but the rest of the world too.

    Although, to be frank, in our current economic situation it isn't ideal.
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    (Original post by TotalLifeForever)
    You are just repeating the same views that people come here with no education and scrounge off of us. If that wealth is being given to people that really are in need of it, why shouldn't they be allowed it?
    You're just banging on about wealth redistribution.

    If people have earned their money and worked hard for it, why should the government thiev from them and give it to others?
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    You're just banging on about wealth redistribution.

    If people have earned their money and worked hard for it, why should the government thiev from them and give it to others?
    If people are in poverty through no fault of their own, why shouldn't the government help them out instead of leaving them in their horrible conditions?
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    (Original post by TotalLifeForever)
    If people are in poverty through no fault of their own, why shouldn't the government help them out instead of leaving them in their horrible conditions?
    You totally avoided the question.

    They should help for those who REALLY need it. Not the work-shy, those who just want the freebies, and they should provide the very minimum needed. Nowhere near as much as they currently provide.
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    (Original post by tieyourmotherdown)
    Troll. You absolutely cannot be serious. Even the BNP's biggest knucklehead wouldn't make statements like that, and that should be telling you something.
    Are you suggesting immigrants on benefits aren't given houses?
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    You totally avoided the question.

    They should help for those who REALLY need it. Not the work-shy, those who just want the freebies, and they should provide the very minimum needed. Nowhere near as much as they currently provide.
    It was a counter-assertion. I think we are just ideologically opposed, so let's leave it at that. I am a liberal bordering on socialist, and you are a conservative.

    Out of interest, what do you think of the Lib Dems?
 
 
 
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