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    Think the question you should be asking is;

    There is over 61,838,154 in the UK (2009 source)

    29,691,380 voted.

    So apart from over 50% of people in the nation not voting...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/


    Conservative got 36% of the 29 mil
    Labour got 29% of the 29 mil
    Lib Dem got 23% of the 29 mil

    around 10 million people decided the fate of 60 million, half of those not voting and the majority of Conservative voters living in rich rural communities or city centers in nice houses (shown by the center of London blue vs the inner city red and yellow)

    But then.. what if only 1 person voted from that part of the country? what if Hampshire only had 10 voters? well that is stupid comment but you see my point..

    How we elect leaders should be more than some moron taking over anothers mess, getting a year or so of TV time where they promise this and do that, keep this the same and **** over those people for abit..

    IMO people dont see the choice... half the people in the country cant relate to Brown or Clegg or Cameron, you know why?

    Because they are clueless, selfish, greedy and voted in by people to continue the same monotonous policies that have always screwed over people in so many ways it doesn't even make sense why our only voice is ticking a box and going on a little protest that does nothing. (which answers all your 'why do people smash things in riots questions)


    Time for a new system.. this ones failing.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    Conservative and Liberal Democrat wards do not account for 61% of the population.
    They got 61% of the popular vote, but won proportionally different seats than that because of our voting system. I don't understand your point - it's a political mandate either way.

    Those who did not vote do not even deserve to be counted. If you don't vote then you don't deserve a voice - you veto your own political power invested in you by our constitution.
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    Conservative and Liberal Democrat wards do not account for 61% of the population.
    The combined government got 59% of all seats. I'd call that a mandate or would you rather have a labour government based on what 29% of the population wants
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    (Original post by Gimme More)
    You may not respond in this thread.
    Freedom of speech and democracy in practice right here folks.
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    What you all need to realise is that the bigot .Ali. thinks Genghis Khan was a liberal wuss.
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    (Original post by .Ali.)
    The OP, smart alec. :rolleyes:
    Well you could be a fellow smarty like me if you werent so politically narrow minded.

    JK Im not that full of myself, still though try and develop your ideas and views through experience or actual agreement rather than just conforming to every idea that you reckon the Conservative Party as a whole would advocate, just because it gives you an identity.

    l8az init.
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      Around 0.1% of the population attended the student protests whereas around 20% of the population voted for the Conservatives. Bearing in mind this includes children and people who didn't bother to vote.

      From this I think you can see the Conservatives clearly have a larger mandate to enact their legislation and by nature of our voting system it's actually very difficult to get a mandate that's a great deal higher.
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      (Original post by EggmanD)
      Think the question you should be asking is;

      There is over 61,838,154 in the UK (2009 source)

      29,691,380 voted.

      So apart from over 50% of people in the nation not voting...

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/


      Conservative got 36% of the 29 mil
      Labour got 29% of the 29 mil
      Lib Dem got 23% of the 29 mil

      around 10 million people decided the fate of 60 million, half of those not voting and the majority of Conservative voters living in rich rural communities or city centers in nice houses (shown by the center of London blue vs the inner city red and yellow)

      But then.. what if only 1 person voted from that part of the country? what if Hampshire only had 10 voters? well that is stupid comment but you see my point..

      How we elect leaders should be more than some moron taking over anothers mess, getting a year or so of TV time where they promise this and do that, keep this the same and **** over those people for abit..

      IMO people dont see the choice... half the people in the country cant relate to Brown or Clegg or Cameron, you know why?

      Because they are clueless, selfish, greedy and voted in by people to continue the same monotonous policies that have always screwed over people in so many ways it doesn't even make sense why our only voice is ticking a box and going on a little protest that does nothing. (which answers all your 'why do people smash things in riots questions)


      Time for a new system.. this ones failing.
      But the locations are drawn up by population. Why would only one person from Hampshire vote? That's why lots of the conservative areas are massive - small rural communities, but the have similar populations in each to the Labour areas.

      I really don't understand your point, but if you didn't know - well then, now you do.
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      (Original post by lily-flower)
      Yeah I think I showed the intelligence of an unborn embryo of Einstein, funny enough!

      Cool Story Sis !
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      (Original post by .Ali.)
      In my view, the welfare system is too generous and taxation shouldn't be as high as it is, and it being used to fund things that people should fund themselves.
      I suppose that everyone is entitled to an opinion and should have a go - trying to articulate their musing.

      Of course it helps if the opinion is based on sound logic.
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      (Original post by EggmanD)
      Think the question you should be asking is;

      There is over 61,838,154 in the UK (2009 source)

      29,691,380 voted.

      So apart from over 50% of people in the nation not voting...

      http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/election2010/results/


      Conservative got 36% of the 29 mil
      Labour got 29% of the 29 mil
      Lib Dem got 23% of the 29 mil

      around 10 million people decided the fate of 60 million, half of those not voting and the majority of Conservative voters living in rich rural communities or city centers in nice houses (shown by the center of London blue vs the inner city red and yellow)

      But then.. what if only 1 person voted from that part of the country? what if Hampshire only had 10 voters? well that is stupid comment but you see my point..

      How we elect leaders should be more than some moron taking over anothers mess, getting a year or so of TV time where they promise this and do that, keep this the same and **** over those people for abit..

      IMO people dont see the choice... half the people in the country cant relate to Brown or Clegg or Cameron, you know why?

      Because they are clueless, selfish, greedy and voted in by people to continue the same monotonous policies that have always screwed over people in so many ways it doesn't even make sense why our only voice is ticking a box and going on a little protest that does nothing. (which answers all your 'why do people smash things in riots questions)


      Time for a new system.. this ones failing.
      65% of eligible people voted.

      As for the rest of what you said, those are flaws of democracy.
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      (Original post by Gimme More)

      Of course it helps if the opinion is based on sound logic.
      You should take your own advice
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      (Original post by adam_zed)
      Well you could be a fellow smarty like me if you werent so politically narrow minded.

      JK Im not that full of myself, still though try and develop your ideas and views through experience or actual agreement rather than just conforming to every idea that you reckon the Conservative Party as a whole would advocate, just because it gives you an identity.

      l8az init.
      It's not because it gives me an identity, I say what I say because I actually think it's right.
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      (Original post by AskMeAnything)
      They got 61% of the popular vote, but won proportionally different seats than that because of our voting system. I don't understand your point - it's a political mandate either way.
      You may not understand my point but you just made it again.

      Because of the voting system the majority of people are served by parties representing a minority population.
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      (Original post by Aj12)
      You should take your own advice
      I always do.
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      (Original post by Gimme More)
      I suppose that everyone is entitled to an opinion and should have a go - trying to articulate their musing.

      Of course it helps if the opinion is based on sound logic.
      Explain what is illogical about encouraging people to be self sufficient and to not be victims of legalised theft in the form of high taxation?
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      You know what I feel sick thinking about the political situation in this country now. I was reading the Guardian, as I do on a regular bases now; all I keep finding is how these F**Ks excuse my language, keep shaping the political policies and infrastructure to aid themselves and protect their interest. How can you reduce cooperate tax and put a small levy on banks compared to what they was saying when they was giving my taxes to the banks. They take from the poor and reduce social mobility. What is going on man?

      The recession has just become a convenient excuse.

      The reason people are not voting is that they feel disillusioned with the protective democracy that we have based on capitalism in the west, they do not care about people. The emphasis is on the right to 'make money'. The real essence of democracy established in ancient Athens (even though had many flaws) had a sense of socialism for the ‘'citizens'’. We need to be able to vote on the most important social issues. However, they think we are too stupid to make decisions, which affects each and everyone of us, I think what we have is a sophisticated dictatorship which we ‘legitimately’ elect to rule us. The legitimacy of the voting system is questionable because most people do not take interest we have no real influence. Instead, we are rather lied to; a classic example is the political whore Clegg. I hope people begin to take an interest in politics now, only the people can facilitate change.
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      (Original post by Gimme More)
      You may not understand my point but you just made it again.

      Because of the voting system the majority of people are served by parties representing a minority population.
      Look at it this way -

      Example

      Conservatives 40%
      Labour 30%
      LibDem 20%
      Other 10%

      Those 40% all agree on something. The other 60%, although there are more, don't have a collective set of ideas, and compromising would please no one. FPTP promotes strong governments, and is essential.
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      No of course they're not human, but then does Ed Milliband look warm and compassionate? I half expect his face to fall off and reveal hidden wires and lights.

      "We in Labour are your friends, friends, friends, friends"
      "Damn it, it's short circuited again!"
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      (Original post by .Ali.)
      It's not because it gives me an identity, I say what I say because I actually think it's right.
      So you agree with everything Conservatism entails or you agree with everything Conservative party politicians agree with?
     
     
     
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