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    (Original post by Boobies.)
    You might as well find another forum site, because i aint shutting up.
    Hey hey, calm down, I never said such a thing, before you blame me, I don't say things such as that to anyone tbh with you. I'm guessing my retard of a brother did this whilst I left my computer.
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    (Original post by sixthformer)
    Men are attracted to women
    dress provocatively, and you will attract the wrong attention
    i mean, even if you dress 'modestly' and go to such places, it still won't be good.
    You have an answer, find a new place you and your friends can go to...
    one where people aren't intoxicated by alcohol, leave the room smelling disgusting, lose all sense of shame and morals, and are godless.
    Let me guess, you're one of those rabid over-the-top muslims who can't learn to accept western culture?
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    A lot of guys are desperate mutha****as. You'll find that if you do want to get a decent guy, you're better off going up to him. Most lads that go up to you are sweaty little scumbags.
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    Grunch; I get this ALL the time op, i know your pain
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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    Let me guess, you're one of those rabid over-the-top muslims who can't learn to accept western culture?
    Tshadow,
    the UK, which is where i live, has the highest, or one of the highest rates of teen preganancy
    almost one of the highest divorce rates
    you hear of rape cases , and many wrong things
    the internet contains like pornography almost everywhere
    this isn't the 'west'
    this is ' corruption'
    the west is a place where sicentific thinking flourished, where the nhs wass set up, and where, finally, black and white people were looked upon as being EQUALS , finally.
    What is the purpose of getting intoxicated, not even controlling your actions, and vomiting all over the place while commiting acts with others? i mean, where is the purpose? no sense of shame
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    Does this happen to all your mates that you go out with too?

    if yes - ask them how they deal with it, they are your mates and will try and help you.

    if no - work out with with your mates what the differences are between the way you and they dress, present yourselves, and behave in clubs.
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    (Original post by I'm_Unsafe.)
    I beg to disagree.



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    (Original post by TShadow383)
    Oh sod off :rolleyes:

    You want to ruin everyone's fun because of a small minority of total *****?
    I don't see where fun comes in when someone has a headache the day after, forgets what they have done, loses sense of shame due to alcohol consumtion and damadges their own liver...and rapidly starts to have less and less control of their actions

    mango juice for life.

    No intoxicating, headache giving, smelly drinks for me

    it's like someone ... wanting and desiring something so gross, it makes no sense! have people stepped back and paused for a moment to ponder what they are drinking?
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    (Original post by sixthformer)
    This is the problem
    if we allow people to consume alcohol, which intoxicates them, gives them tremendous headaches the day after, and allows them not to treat either member of the opposite sex in a respectable and dignified manner it will carry on

    See, i see you like your friends, and want to have fun and cherish your moments, but , clubs aren't a good place to be. You have druggists, alcoholics, perverts, seriously, there are so many low lifes.

    Women should be respected and treated with dignity, yes, a woman is made for a man, BUT, if you do not have restrictions enabling the dignity of both men and women, you will get many like you.
    'If we allow' It's called freedom mate. I know plenty of men and women who can drink and are perfectly able to treat the opposite sex with dignity and respect, it's just the odd few that let the majority down.

    Women aren't 'made' for men. What kind of backdated, offensive believe is that? No one's made for anyone, we're the same species.
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    People go to clubs to pull. No one goes to clubs to chill with there friends, loud music and dancing make that pretty much impossible.
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    (Original post by lovely_me)
    'If we allow' It's called freedom mate. I know plenty of men and women who can drink and are perfectly able to treat the opposite sex with dignity and respect, it's just the odd few that let the majority down.

    Women aren't 'made' for men. What kind of backdated, offensive believe is that? No one's made for anyone, we're the same species.
    I say that women are made for men in every respect, ranging from scientific, to emotional. Men have parts women don't , science tells me that men clearly are made for women.

    If they weren't , then our species wouldn't exist.

    Without companionship, it's hard to live. Men and women are companions to each other, and share and relish their moments.

    If my opinion is back dated and offensive,that doesn't mean it is so. Your opinion only differs. The way to decide is to properly debate, which we both have no time for, but these debates have happened. I respect your point of view, but it does not mean i will not uphold what i believe.

    I have the 'freedom' to free speech

    What is freedom? Freedom is the ability to think for oneself agreed?
    Freedom is the ability not to be influenced by anyone and anything and to have your own clear thoughts?
    The only violation of freedom is drinking alcohol.

    Maybe you get people who drink responsibly. But, if you want society as a whole to work, it can't be part of it.
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    (Original post by sixthformer)
    Tshadow,
    the UK, which is where i live, has the highest, or one of the highest rates of teen preganancy
    almost one of the highest divorce rates
    you hear of rape cases , and many wrong things
    the internet contains like pornography almost everywhere
    this isn't the 'west'
    this is ' corruption'
    the west is a place where sicentific thinking flourished, where the nhs wass set up, and where, finally, black and white people were looked upon as being EQUALS , finally.
    What is the purpose of getting intoxicated, not even controlling your actions, and vomiting all over the place while commiting acts with others? i mean, where is the purpose? no sense of shame
    The highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the world is in sub-Saharan Africa. According to the World Health Organisation, Muslim countries have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy.

    I'm not even going to discuss rape, in many Muslim countries marital rape and beatings aren't illegal.

    I don't necessarily see divorce as a bad thing. Often survey's view divorce as a positive thing, as it implies a higher sense of independence of women as they have the freedom to exist without depending on a men. If a couple don't love each other any more, why should they stay together?

    I agree the UK is not perfect, but if you don't like the lifestyle and the culture you are perfectly free to leave.
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      (Original post by Anonymous)
      I really don't want to stop clubbing as I love it.
      Then quit complaining.

      Either you have to face up to it, or go to a more classier place.

      Tbh, it's a club, what were you expecting? Guys acting all chivalrous? Get real.
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      (Original post by sixthformer)
      Tshadow,
      the UK, which is where i live, has the highest, or one of the highest rates of teen preganancy
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_...nage_pregnancy
      Actually no, we're beaten to the punch by several far more conservative religious societies (you know, the ones where contraception is frowned upon) as well as, according to less reliable statistics not quoted here, many of the countries where such statistics are not recorded, where the birth rate as a whole is much higher.

      (Original post by sixthformer)
      almost one of the highest divorce rates
      I can give you that:
      http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/pe...e-divorce-rate
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_demography

      But that's what happens when people are free to come and go from relationships as they please.


      (Original post by sixthformer)
      you hear of rape cases , and many wrong things
      http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cr...pes-per-capita
      Bearing in mind that in many less civilised parts of the world, where women have less power, rape statistics aren't recorded.

      (Original post by sixthformer)
      the internet contains like pornography almost everywhere
      Again, something which is more prevelent in the more religious parts of the world.

      http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/w...-1225891491204

      Pakistan has ranked No.1 in searches per-person for "horse sex" since 2004, "donkey sex" since 2007, "rape pictures" between 2004 and 2009, "rape sex" since 2004, "child sex" between 2004 and 2007 and since 2009, "animal sex" since 2004 and "dog sex" since 2005, according to Google Trends and Google Insights, features of Google that generate data based on popular search terms.

      The country has also been No.1 in searches for "sex", "camel sex", "rape video" and "child sex video".
      (Original post by sixthformer)
      What is the purpose of getting intoxicated, not even controlling your actions, and vomiting all over the place while commiting acts with others? i mean, where is the purpose? no sense of shame
      What is the purpose of doing anything in life?
      Personally, I like skydiving.
      What is the purpose of me paying a pilot to take me up to some significant altitude, just so that I can jump out of what is a perfectly serviceable aircraft?

      Now, personally, I don't like to drink to the extent that I'm really ill the next day, but I don't mind the people who do, it's entirely up to them, and as long as they're not hurting anyone then more power to them.
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      (Original post by sixthformer)
      What is freedom? Freedom is the ability to think for oneself agreed?

      Freedom is the ability not to be influenced by anyone and anything and to have your own clear thoughts?
      The only violation of freedom is drinking alcohol.
      Freedom is choice - and people choose to drink alcohol. End of.

      You can't make that decision for other people, much as you and your corrupt religion would love to.
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      ummm...i know how it feels just try to be with a lot of people who will have your back when you go to places like this and show them you are not an easy prey which is upto you to decide how to show them that..good luck
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      (Original post by lovely_me)
      The highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the world is in sub-Saharan Africa. According to the World Health Organisation, Muslim countries have some of the highest rates of teen pregnancy.

      I'm not even going to discuss rape, in many Muslim countries marital rape and beatings aren't illegal.

      I don't necessarily see divorce as a bad thing. Often survey's view divorce as a positive thing, as it implies a higher sense of independence of women as they have the freedom to exist without depending on a men. If a couple don't love each other any more, why should they stay together?

      I agree the UK is not perfect, but if you don't like the lifestyle and the culture you are perfectly free to leave.
      This is my home, what are you on about?
      Like i said, if i live in britain, it does not mean i must agree with all of the practices going on.
      I just am, upset, that there is a practise like clubbing and alcohol.
      Society here would be better without it.
      Many muslim countries don't abide by their own lows, similarly in isreal, where, if they are to abide by their scripture, they would not kill innocent human beings.
      If you want to know the laws in Islam, then don't look at the muslims, look at what the religion itself says. Political power can cause many to become corrupt and lose their own beliefs.
      Listen, If you had no alcohol,you'd reduce the ammount of people with liver cancer and alcohol caused diseases.
      You'd reduce the ammount of rape cases, and women attacks.
      People i.e men, would be forced to be chialrous instead of getting a girl ' drunk.
      It is DEFFINITLEY not the minority. I am speaking from actually knowing many people in my school getting totaly 'wasted'.
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      (Original post by lovely_me)
      Freedom is choice - and people choose to drink alcohol. End of.

      You can't make that decision for other people, much as you and your corrupt religion would love to.
      My religion teaches me this:

      "let there be no compulsion in religion , for truth is clear from falsehood"

      But still, this is TSR, i am not making or forcing or imposing anyone to follow me, i am simply giving my point of view, and trying to explain where i stand on issues. I have an open mind. Yes, i can see people drinking, having fun, smiling. But then i think, what is the purpose in this? Drinking only intoxicates you, causes you to be someone you are not. Going to clubs and parties , like the op has proved, even if it is not your intention, makes guys lust, and is just a breeding spot for corruption.

      Lets keep this clean, you can express your point of view, but don't use fallacies in your arguments(attacking the arguer , rather than their argument)

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      (Original post by lovely_me)
      Freedom is choice - and people choose to drink alcohol. End of.

      You can't make that decision for other people, much as you and your corrupt religion would love to.
      Yes, no-one is stopping anyone from going and consuming alcohol. I am merely getting my own view point on it.

      Freedom is subjective. Is doing whatever you want freedom - or is it the opposite?

      I mean, look at it this way,
      anything that restricts you, restricts your freedom
      a traffic light restricts you driving - does it mean it is a bad thin
      g? Will it benifit you or make you ' free' if you could just pass it and knock other cars?
      Or is the true freedom being free from alcohol not changing your meddling with your thoughts, and being able to be totally your self, and not relying on intoxicating a potential partner to be with them, rather, getting them by chivalry, dignity, and honesty?
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      (Original post by Asha5692)
      I totally agree with you. I think it's terrible that guys these days have absolutely no manners. About your drink getting spiked, that sounds awful, how did that story go? What happened?
      Okay this what happened with my drink getting spiked.

      It happened at a house party (not even a club) I had just popped around to say hi and to have a drink with them before they went to the club. I wasn't going along so was dressed in baggy jeans, baggy jumper, no make up and big boots. I had two drinks and began to feel really, really drunk, hazy and couldn't control myself. No one could understand why. I had come with a friend and her friend who was visiting, but was getting a coach home that night. My friend seeing that I was looking really bad called me a taxi to take me up the road home as she had to get her friend home.

      My friend had to go but since my taxi was going to turn up in a moment or two, she left telling a few of my "so-called" friends to just look after and make sure I get in my taxi. Instead, they were getting in another taxi to the club and one of the girls (I find out later this is how it happened) thought it would be fun to bring me along too. She later protested that she "didn't want me to miss out", even though the original friend wanted her to make sure I got in my own taxi home.

      There was this strange guy in the taxi who had been at the party and I didn't know him at all. I remember very little. I remember him cuddling me in the taxi and then stopping the taxi half way to the club and dragging me by the arm. We ended up at his house and where I remember bits and pieces like how I threw up in his bathroom, how I was screaming and crying, how I begged for him to "let me go" and "I want to go home", how he dragged me to his bed, took my phone off me, felt me up and wouldn't let me leave.

      He must have eventually let me go and get a taxi home, I don't properly know. I assume I must have been crying so much as I got home and my housemates saw that my eyes were bright red and my cheeks were wet. I also had bright red marks all over my breasts. The friend who sent me in the taxi originally came running to my house shortly after I was home and told me I had sent loads of text messages like "HELP ME", "In a guys house, won't let me go, HELP", etc and a million missed calls.

      The worst thing about it was that the girl who pulled me into the taxi, who I do understand wasn't entirely to blame, told me later that she saw him dragging me off and didn't stop it because "we seemed quite tight in the taxi" and that "she didn't want to spoil my night", even though she also said I looked like I was going to pass out and was falling over a lot. She also denied that he spiked my drink even though it must have been him (or some other psycho guy?) as I had been tripping and feeling seriously drowsy the whole night. I don't speak to her or her friends anymore.

      I also found out that guy was BANNED from the nightclub we were going to, I don't know what for, but why was he in a taxi to go there in the first place?

      Now I don't trust men anymore. I went home to my mum for the weekend because I just felt so traumatised being at uni and it f***ed up many weeks of study for me. It happened a month ago and I'm still pretty traumatised. My mum told me that I shouldn't let this stop me going out, I have to be strong, she knows I'm sensible and safe.

      If you stop going out then they've won, right?
     
     
     
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