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    Bring down the ConDem Coalition
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    Bring down the entire UK Party System
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    10.47%
    Bring down the banks (but not the government)
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    6.98%
    Bonfire of elites; Libert égalité, fraternité
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    9.30%
    Invade Luxembourg (let's annex it. Seriously.)
    12
    13.95%
    Spend less time thinking about politics
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    6.98%
    Warn people about the dangers of global warming
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    9.30%
    Support the Royal Family for the Wedding
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    (Original post by Aj12)
    :facepalm2: So by making this point Im to assume that you reject the election and democracy in this country?

    How about rather than being a tool spouting meaningless political rhetoric you actually make a decent argument against the coalition's policies.

    By using crap like ConDem you immediately look like a fool who has to resort to childish insults to attempt to win debates.
    The Lib Dems were elected on a false premise, so there should be a recall of certain MPs. This isn't really a thread to debate the ins and outs of the coalition, and it's pretty pathetic that you assume I can't say anything other than "we're condemned". You have no idea of what I've said in the past. Why don't you lighten up and go argue about more important issues?
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    (Original post by burpleronnie)
    My point was that the above behaviour is backwards. Should everyone adopt it, as you pointed out that most do, those who choose to exploit you; can, will and currently are.

    It is the people who think beyond themselves and act upon it that have won the majority the ability to be ignornant in relative safety.

    You would fall into the catagory of prick (i may be wrong), as you are less ignorant yet justify your inaction on selfish grounds.
    Who are you to decide what is 'backwards' and what isn't? Morality is merely subjective, so it would be deluded to claim that there are a universal set of values that are more 'advanced'.

    Luckily, in this country, we have the rule of law which prevents me from being exploited in such a fashion.

    Personally, I eagerly await seeing your action against injustice in Sudan.
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    AV referendum will be lost, even if Nick Clegg doesn't mount a visible campaign.
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    (Original post by Left Hand Drive)
    socialism!
    and when you run out of other peoples money ?
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    (Original post by Crimsonchilli)
    and when you run out of other peoples money ?
    *evil eyes* Thatcheeerrrr.....
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    (Original post by Left Hand Drive)
    *evil eyes* Thatcheeerrrr.....
    ahhh and theres me thinking I'm sly with my random political quotes.
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    (Original post by yituool)
    Personally, I eagerly await seeing your action against injustice in Sudan.
    re-read my post i did an edit that i think you missed.

    (Original post by yituool)
    Who are you to decide what is 'backwards' and what isn't? Morality is merely subjective, so it would be deluded to claim that there are a universal set of values that are more 'advanced'.
    I said nothing of morality, merely that unselfish people have gotten you your rights, pass it forward. Show some thanks.

    (Original post by yituool)
    Luckily, in this country, we have the rule of law which prevents me from being exploited in such a fashion.
    The Arcadia Group, Vodaphone, The longest working hours in the european union, Cadburys/Kraft, Asset stripping Portsmouth Harbour, Bailouts&Bonuses, Drugs Policy, BSkyB/Newscorp, Torture in Guantanamo and The Expenses Scandal, Bennifit Fraud, Drugs Corps in Africa and many more are only some of the examples i could give to proove you completely and utterly wrong. All of which are a result of people ignoring the laws and rules you seem to think protect you.
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    People continually state their opinion as fact in this thread, it's completely unnecessary. The main one being "morality is subjective", I disagree but this is not the place to discuss it.
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    (Original post by burpleronnie)
    re-read my post i did an edit that i think you missed.



    I said nothing of morality, merely that unselfish people have gotten you your rights, pass it forward. Show some thanks.



    The Arcadia Group, Vodaphone, The longest working hours in the european union, Cadburys/Kraft, Asset stripping Portsmouth Harbour, Bailouts&Bonuses, Drugs Policy, BSkyB/Newscorp, Torture in Guantanamo and The Expenses Scandal, Bennifit Fraud, Drugs Corps in Africa and many more are only some of the examples i could give to proove you completely and utterly wrong. All of which are a result of people ignoring the laws and rules you seem to think protect you.
    We are talking about morality here, individual's beliefs about what is 'good' or 'bad' behaviour.

    Why am I obliged to "show some thanks" and "pass it forward". There is no point forcing myself to feign caring about things I don't.

    Don't get me wrong, I do in some ways care about injustices in the society I live in, as they could one day affect me. But I just find it hard to lament the situation in Sudan, and other situations across the globe which have very little bearing on me. I am not as selfish as you probably think, helping others actually gives me a good feeling, so if people ask for my help they will most often get it. I don't go out of my way to be a 'prick', and if I could give Sudan a referendum with the press of a button, I would. However, I can't, so I don't involve myself emotionally.

    If I was being 'exploited', I'd attempt to do something about it, using the law we have in our society (which I am somewhat grateful of) that is supposed to deliver justice. But because of other 'selfish' people like me, I may be unsuccessful. They may be sympathetic, but very few will actually take significant action, and that is only natural. It would be futile to try and change this. Just try not to worry about it.
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    (Original post by Gallant92)
    People continually state their opinion as fact in this thread, it's completely unnecessary. The main one being "morality is subjective", I disagree but this is not the place to discuss it.
    Surely with the same logic you are stating your opinion as fact. For example: "People continually state their opinion as fact in this thread, it's completely unnecessary". Would you rather we just end every sentence with "in my opinion", or implement other ways of dulling up our arguments?
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    (Original post by alicebytemperley)
    The Lib Dems were elected on a false premise, so there should be a recall of certain MPs. This isn't really a thread to debate the ins and outs of the coalition, and it's pretty pathetic that you assume I can't say anything other than "we're condemned". You have no idea of what I've said in the past. Why don't you lighten up and go argue about more important issues?
    When you stop acting like an ignorant fool. Instead of making comments that make you look like an ignorant troll try actually putting forward a decent augment and maybe people will not think your a complete utter moron.
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    I'd also like to see a referendum on: Irish, Scottish and Welsh indepedence. Which should, in theory, evolve the United Kingdom into a federation of some sort, whereby each nation is an autonomous 'region' (if you can call them that) of the UK.
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    (Original post by yituool)
    We are talking about morality here, individual's beliefs about what is 'good' or 'bad' behaviour.

    Why am I obliged to "show some thanks" and "pass it forward". There is no point forcing myself to feign caring about things I don't.

    Don't get me wrong, I do in some ways care about injustices in the society I live in, as they could one day affect me. But I just find it hard to lament the situation in Sudan, and other situations across the globe which have very little bearing on me. I am not as selfish as you probably think, helping others actually gives me a good feeling, so if people ask for my help they will most often get it. I don't go out of my way to be a 'prick', and if I could give Sudan a referendum with the press of a button, I would. However, I can't, so I don't involve myself emotionally.

    If I was being 'exploited', I'd attempt to do something about it, using the law we have in our society (which I am somewhat grateful of) that is supposed to deliver justice. But because of other 'selfish' people like me, I may be unsuccessful. They may be sympathetic, but very few will actually take significant action, and that is only natural. It would be futile to try and change this. Just try not to worry about it.
    Again, feel free to read back through my posts, i have said nothing of morality, good or bad.

    I also have said nothing of feining care. Accept that things need to be done and do something to aid progression. Of course you cannot dedicate youself to all causes, attempting to do so is impossible but even a small help in one area can make a huge difference.

    Take it as fact you are being exploited in some way. Take the Phillip Greene for instance. He has exploited loopholes within the tax system to save paying huge amounts of tax in the billions. Had the tax man been able to collect the money from him alone many of the cuts we are experincing in the uk at the moment could have been avoided. He has been investigated by panorama as well as various other journalists all finding huge amounts of avoided taxes. I have seen estimates ranging from 300 mil to many billions of pounds dodged every year. Vodaphone and several other compnies have been discovered to have avoided similar amounts, there are only the ones that we know of. Collectively we are talking about humongous amounts of money that could be going towards and even paying entirely for the improvement of education, health care, public areas and utilities. All things that you would have directly bennifited from.


    It would be futile to try and change this
    People have attempted to change the staus-quo and have suceeded, again it is thanks to them that you live how you live. That statement is simply not true as evidenced by life as we know it, its a pretty pessimistic way to go about life.
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    (Original post by burpleronnie)
    Again, feel free to read back through my posts, i have said nothing of morality, good or bad.

    I also have said nothing of feining care. Accept that things need to be done and do something to aid progression. Of course you cannot dedicate youself to all causes, attempting to do so is impossible but even a small help in one area can make a huge difference.

    Take it as fact you are being exploited in some way. Take the Phillip Greene for instance. He has exploited loopholes within the tax system to save paying huge amounts of tax in the billions. Had the tax man been able to collect the money from him alone many of the cuts we are experincing in the uk at the moment could have been avoided. He has been investigated by panorama as well as various other journalists all finding huge amounts of avoided taxes. I have seen estimates ranging from 300 mil to many billions of pounds dodged every year. Vodaphone and several other compnies have been discovered to have avoided similar amounts, there are only the ones that we know of. Collectively we are talking about humongous amounts of money that could be going towards and even paying entirely for the improvement of education, health care, public areas and utilities. All things that you would have directly bennifited from.




    People have attempted to change the staus-quo and have suceeded, again it is thanks to them that you live how you live. That statement is simply not true as evidenced by life as we know it, its a pretty pessimistic way to go about life.
    You have seemingly completely missed the point of this discussion. I was originally suspicious of self righteous ********s who claimed they could genuinely have an emotional attachment to those suffering in Sudan. And now you've made the assumption that this means I am not against tax avoidance, and are trying to teach me some kind of lesson in morality you assume I've somehow never heard before.


    You're wasting your time. Now get back to studying for your GCSEs.
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    (Original post by yituool)
    You have seemingly completely missed the point of this discussion. I was originally suspicious of self righteous ********s who claimed they could genuinely have an emotional attachment to those suffering in Sudan. And now you've made the assumption that this means I am not against tax avoidance, and are trying to teach me some kind of lesson in morality you assume I've somehow never heard before.


    You're wasting your time. Now get back to studying for your GCSEs.
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    Poll closes tomorrow. Looks like a rout for "Bring down the ConDem Coalition".
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    A 2:1. :nothing:
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    AV referendum to be lost, just for the lolz at the look on Clegg's face.
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    Assassinate Clegg?
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    (Original post by Bella Occhi)
    Assassinate Clegg?
    Look under the file: Bonfire of Elites.


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