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    (Original post by jklmn)
    OMG:gasp:, OMG:gasp:, OMG:gasp:, can't believe you just said that, how dare you state the correlation between general stupidity and voting for the left (or left of Conservative as New Labour are not really very left, just s***), they so blatantly have absolutely nothing in common

    This post is in for a right negging from the lefties...:rofl2::rofl3::rofl2:...lol
    It wasn't so much stupidity I was pointing out, I also play the lottery, it's good fun. It's the fact that the lottery makes someone very rich completely undeservedly in the same way inheritance does yet people will often be hypocritical enough to both play the lottery and support socialism/complain about the born-wealthy!
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    Both terms are hideously misleading and disguise the huge range of political theories and ideologies, most of which can't easily be categorised either way. The Lib Dems are a ramshackle coalition of market liberals and social liberals and the Tories have an even broader range of opinion. Cameron is a liberal conservative and Clegg and his mates are right-wing liberals; they get along brilliantly, and the left-liberals and real conservatives who make up the bulk of their parties are being dragged along behind them. So long as Cameron makes the occasional speech on multiculturalism (but does nothing about it) and the Lid Dems get to throw a few pennies at disadvantaged lower-middle class single mothers, it's all good. None of the parties are 'complete opposites' anyway--unless you're thinking of the BNP and the Libertarian Party.

    I don't subscribe to any ideology, but economically I'm centre-left (so that's Old Labour, not the Blairite mutation) and socially I'm a conservative (again, nothing like the current Conservative leadership)--though I'm also hostile to religion and support electoral reform.
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    Right wing, anti-immigration
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    (Original post by Deggerz)
    Well with the coalition that we have at the moment, we have the Conservatives (Right Wing) and Liberal Democrats (Left Wing)

    These are completely opposite...and that is why there is a lot of debate between them...

    What do you feel is better for the community and the country, at this current time


    Think about the whole picture, not just the party that you support



    Please also correct me with anything that I have gotten wrong
    Remember in Germany that there was a CDU/CSU-SPD grand coalition. A bit like Labour and the Conservatives going into coalition together. Unthinkable.

    Liberal Democrats are not really left-wing - you have a minority that are left-wingers though.
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    (Original post by lacelicker)
    Left, although I support the far left, I'm no fan of new labour.
    I think that we need a left wing government because I think fairness, and equality are vital for a well run country!
    Because no right-wing government is fair, correct? You bloody lefties, you're a bunch of retards
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    The Liberal Democrats are not Left Wing, they have Left Wing elements due to the absorption of the SDLP but The Liberal Party sans SDLP used to be more Right Wing, economically, than the Tories.
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    (Original post by Livi-Ulster)
    I am extreme right wing and proud of it. For those who care, I did vote BNP in the last election. It is just a shame people will not vote for them because they believe the big parties with all their lies. It is a known fact that only the BNP will be able to help our broken country.
    I must agree that they have some beneficial policies, however they are economically left wing and i could never support the left, as such they are my 5th preference (Labour being 6th of the main 6).
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    I'm socially left, economically right - saying just "left" or "right" is too simple, politics is more complicated than that, at the very least you should seperate social policy from economics.
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    Agreed and as such i assume that you meant you a capitalist liberal.

    I think that the concept of being socially right or left wing is a throwback to around 100 years when capitalism encompassed the salave trade (authoritarianism), and Labour was originally a liberal socialist party. Over the years, these loose definitions have stuck despite the parties changing.

    The BNP is a great example in that they are economically well left of the Liberal Democrats and Labour yet are labeled 'right wing' simply because they are authoritarian.
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    Neither. Both sides have it catastrophically wrong on some issues. We need a centrist common-sense government that picks and chooses from both sides where applicable. I've never gotten this obsession with forming policy from ideology - it's ludicrous.
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    I'm a relative-democratic socialist with the practical outlook of a social democrat. I want to expand public ownership in certain key areas, but retain the capitalist mode of production in most non-essential areas, albeit with heavy regulation and a fair tax and welfare system to benefit the many, not the few.

    The left and the centre-left are the only moral political grounds to stand on. The right has always been a farce, but at least in the early days those who belonged to it didn't try to hide what it was all about - the perseverance of power and wealth for the few.
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    Liberal Democrats are supposed to be a central-spectrumed group, but at the minute, all three are kinda the same anyway!

    Left wing every day of the year tho, share the wealth, don't keep it for yourself!

    I hate Tories!! >
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    (Original post by Planar)
    Because no right-wing government is fair, correct? You bloody lefties, you're a bunch of retards
    I didn't say that did I, your inventing things now - I just think that a left wing government is a fairER one! Not the ultimate in fairness, nor the only fair government EVER!

    Really - you need to look at what I actually say - not what you think I'm saying!
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    (Original post by lacelicker)
    I didn't say that did I, your inventing things now - I just think that a left wing government is a fairER one! Not the ultimate in fairness, nor the only fair government EVER!

    Really - you need to look at what I actually say - not what you think I'm saying!
    Why is a left wing government automatically a fairer one?
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    Meaningless terms?
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    (Original post by lacelicker)
    I didn't say that did I, your inventing things now - I just think that a left wing government is a fairER one! Not the ultimate in fairness, nor the only fair government EVER!

    Really - you need to look at what I actually say - not what you think I'm saying!
    There are also the insinuations that you made.
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    (Original post by Teaddict)
    Why is a left wing government automatically a fairer one?
    In my opinion, a right wing government, that tries to cut the benefits of SOME of society's most vulnerable, that conceders selling off the NHS is not a fair one - it was the labour party that started the welfare state, and the NHS - do you genuinely think that had we had a Tory government for the last 100 years we still would have the welfare state and the NHS,
    It was Thatcher that closed the mines, stopped free school milk, tried to stop unions - hardly what you'd call fair .....
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    (Original post by Planar)
    There are also the insinuations that you made.
    Your just reading what I'm saying ..... I'm not suite sure how you can draw insinuations from that!
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    (Original post by lacelicker)
    Smashed the unions.
    Better

    They needed taking down a couple of pegs, Thatcher like most of the population realised they were holding the county to ransom. Scargill and his ilk were dangerous and we should be glad that the Conservative government of the time gave them a good smashing.
 
 
 
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