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How else would I get where I want in life - Surely getting together with a middle class man would make me better. No?

Ok, but seriously... Class doesnt matter, have dated from both working and middle class and found that the guy from the middle class acted like he was better then me, my family and my friends. Such a ****.
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As long as a man is grounded and respectful, I don't care.
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(Original post by Chillaxer)
What do you think of middle(or higher)class men? Are they soft, and nancy boys, less sexually attractive/dangerous? Does your background heavily effect who you'd date, even if (or not)you're at uni etc?
im from a working class background believe it or not. when i was a kid i had no proper parents, and ALL my clothes books and possessions came out of charity shops. even when i was in school (pre-EMA days) i got varios financial supports to help me, in those days it was £50 per term. however i got AAABB at alevel, went to a top uni for Law (UCL with financial help throughout) and graduated with a prize-winning first at the top of my year. i now work for a top international financial firm and have several scholarship/grant funded postgrads.

when i see rich boys who've had it easy their whole life i see them as weaker than me. i've worked hard to get where i am, from nothing. nancies who've had rich parents, posh public schools, Eton, private 11+ tutoring, private music lessons and sports clubs, it is given they would go oxbridge. they dont think twice about having new clothes, central heating or proper food.

i now work and socialise with these folks and cannot relate to these softies. it is in hard times that we find strength. these silver spoon fed fools might be rich but that is all. im not impressed and would rather date a decent moralled guy from a tough background like myself because i see him as a stronger person.
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The 1850s called - they want their social issues back.
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actually even poor people can become Lords by merit.
...well...yes... i am aware of that, i never said you couldnt? its actually a better reason for being a Lord, but its also nothing to do with what i was talking about so, thanks for the input






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Yes, like my ex who never shut up about what her family had done. I was like, "year, great, but what have you done? It is you, what you are like, your personality that I am interested in. It is you I am impressed by, not your ancestors..." She always said horrible things, made all her friends hate me (told a lot of BS), and made me feel s--t. Its actually affected me quite badly, and Ive since realized it was an abusive relationship.

I didn't know that - I know a lot of people who live in them (including, if I'm honest, my parents main home- although both grew up in council houses etc), I have heard of it in Scotland, but never outside of that?? Very interesting.

Hmmm, I'm not so sure on tax tho. Yes, of course people circumvent IHT a little bit, giving away some assets 7 years before death, but very few people give away their house - it can create all sorts of legal problems if the respective party's fall out etc. Most people are too afraid of the consequences. For the greatest part of the estate, it is in my experience, paid.

Eton is actually phenomenally hard to get into, as are most leading public schools. They don't care if you can pay, frankly they have 10 applicants for every 1 place. They want ability, and that is measured in a number of ways, not just academically. A lot of students now, at even the most elitist of public schools (Eton, Marlborough) are foreign, and they have been for many, many years at other schools like Harrow, Malvern etc.
Re : Those stupid homes.
Usually they are passed on through survivorship rather than through inheritance. They somehow or rather manage to put their son as a co-owner as a joint tenant. Hence when the old man passes on there won't be any IHT to pay. In any case most of those homes these days has a negative net asset value.

As for giving the homes away... surprisingly a lot of them were given away but not to their kids, they were given to National Trust where they could no longer afford to upkeep them or just had so much debt that the house just had to go. NT was selling some of those homes recently, some for as little as £1-1000 and on promise that you would carry out restoration works which would set you back a further £5-10million or even more.

Re : House usage.

It's quite usual, these days even National Trust will be more than willing to help owners out to promote their homes as a function venue. These ones usually are the larger ones that also happen to be in better condition, quite rare though.

Others have long since leased out their property to settle debts or continue in their extravagant ways.

Re : Public school admissions.

Yup ability is important, but I believe some still do slip through the cracks due to some "connections" hahahahahaha usually these are the ones that end up going to post-92 unis doing mickey mouse degrees.
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Upper class is entirely to do with birth and has absolutely nothing to do with how much money your family possesses, most upper class people are in reality pretty poor.
Then I'm pretty sure, though not entirely, middle class is to do with wealth and profession but as an example, Alan Sugar is middle class despite being absurdly rich.
Alan Sugar is upper class.

He holds the title 'Baron Alan Sugar' above titles of 'Lord' and 'Sir'.
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Alan Sugar is upper class.

He holds the title 'Baron Alan Sugar' above titles of 'Lord' and 'Sir'.
Oh dear God. You really do have no idea. Firstly, those aren't proper titles. They are not hereditary. I would hardly call David Beckham 'upper class' and he's a Sir. In fact, if someone called him upper class, people would just laugh...

As the person you quote has written, Sugar is Middle Class (very top end of Upper Middle Class to be precise), but he will never be upper class unless he marry's someone from that strata, and even then, he will never truly be Upper Class. Just more associated with them.

I admire Sugar to some degree, as I admire anyone who's come so far and done so much with their life - but Sugar is one of the most over-estimated people in British business - there are plenty of people who have been almost as successful, and in many ways more so, than him - they just keep a lower profile. He loves the fame, the attention, hence he's built this fantastic media profile, and this has allowed him to attain the 'honors' of which you talk - also one of his quiet ambitions...
It sounds a bit ridiculous at first, but think about it - He's not that successful in Business. He made it big time with one, massively successful product (company), and made an absolute fortune from it. He has had many, many flops, and few huge successes since. His money has been invested wisely for him, and this has accumulated a great fortune - I think around £800 million right?
But actually, he hasn't launched company after company, and been successful across a huge range of industry's, or had continuous success. Every business person, if they launch lots of businesses, will have failures - but the mark of someone really good/smart is how, overwhelmingly, they are successful. Hes no Brandon, Peter Jones etc...
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Your insinuation that someone's attractiveness is based upon how hard their job is.
NO, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that women tend to be attracted to men who have an equal or higher socio-economic status than themselves; they tend to marry upwards or have long term partners who higher in the socio-economic scale. So middle class professional men such as lawyers and doctors along with any prestigious occupation have an advantage in courtship.
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Oh dear God. You really do have no idea. Firstly, those aren't proper titles. They are not hereditary. I would hardly call David Beckham 'upper class' and he's a Sir. In fact, if someone called him upper class, people would just laugh...

As the person you quote has written, Sugar is Middle Class (very top end of Upper Middle Class to be precise), but he will never be upper class unless he marry's someone from that strata, and even then, he will never truly be Upper Class. Just more associated with them.

I admire Sugar to some degree, as I admire anyone who's come so far and done so much with their life - but Sugar is one of the most over-estimated people in British business - there are plenty of people who have been almost as successful, and in many ways more so, than him - they just keep a lower profile. He loves the fame, the attention, hence he's built this fantastic media profile, and this has allowed him to attain the 'honors' of which you talk - also one of his quiet ambitions...
It sounds a bit ridiculous at first, but think about it - He's not that successful in Business. He made it big time with one, massively successful product (company), and made an absolute fortune from it. He has had many, many flops, and few huge successes since. His money has been invested wisely for him, and this has accumulated a great fortune - I think around £800 million right?
But actually, he hasn't launched company after company, and been successful across a huge range of industry's, or had continuous success. Every business person, if they launch lots of businesses, will have failures - but the mark of someone really good/smart is how, overwhelmingly, they are successful. Hes no Brandon, Peter Jones etc...
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(Original post by JIRAIYA-ERO-SENNIN)
NO, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that women tend to be attracted to men who have an equal or higher socio-economic status than themselves; they tend to marry upwards or have long term partners who higher in the socio-economic scale. So middle class professional men such as lawyers and doctors along with any prestigious occupation have an advantage in courtship.
Touché.
Or maybe they're just gold diggers :dontknow:
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(Original post by Chillaxer)
What do you think of middle(or higher)class men? Are they soft, and nancy boys, less sexually attractive/dangerous? Does your background heavily effect who you'd date, even if (or not)you're at uni etc?
People refuse to believe this on TSR but I'll say it again - personality is the key. Class wouldn't stop me from dating someone I liked - sure there might be a few things we think differently about due to upbringing but on the whole I would treat them the same as anyone else
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The 1850s called - they want their social issues back.
That is such a studenty, dweeby clever **** remark.
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What do you think of middle(or higher)class men? Are they soft, and nancy boys, less sexually attractive/dangerous? Does your background heavily effect who you'd date, even if (or not)you're at uni etc?
A lot of the time, a guys personality isn't totally dictated by class. I know some very nice down to earth guys and have been shocked when I've seen how massive their house is. On the other hand. I find it really hard to get on with middle class people in general, so I suppose that would naturally translate to dating.
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That makes absolutely no sense :rofl:
yes it does.
To be upper class you have to have a title and just because a distant relative was given a title and probably a lot of money with it doesn't mean that centuries later the same family is filthy rich.
Middle Class is based on money and proffession and perhaps attitudes.
Working class is everyone left.
Pretty sure that's what the person you quoted meant/said
How does that not make sense?
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yes it does.
To be upper class you have to have a title and just because a distant relative was given a title and probably a lot of money with it doesn't mean that centuries later the same family is filthy rich.
Middle Class is based on money and proffession and perhaps attitudes.
Working class is everyone left.
Pretty sure that's what the person you quoted meant/said
How does that not make sense?
What makes LOW class then?
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What makes LOW class then?
There is no "Low class". I always thought it was Upper, middle or working.
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I dont like the way they speak.

Its quite imtimidating actually.

Hmmm, he would appear arrogant to me although he probably isnt. And I will probably have alot of pride and I will have to put him down everytime he tries to say something clever to prove that he cant treat me like **** just because he is of higher status.

Also I dont see it working, I have too much pride for my good. Basically I dont like being looked down on, even though I am not I will think I am.
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There is no "Low class". I always thought it was Upper, middle or working.
I thought those benefit spongers would be the low class of society.
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I'm middle class.

I don't plan on contributing to this discussion, I'm just here to brag
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