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    Some people are so ignorant and arrogant it was due to the former colonial powers that much of Africa is suffering so much today, the UK including took many black slaves and profited from the countries they colonised.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Does that mean that the laws of economics don't apply to them? Not a single person in this thread has yet tried to show how foreign aid actually alleviates poverty.
    I don't believe anyone is arguing that aid will eliminate poverty, it clearly won't. A combination of factors lead to the state of the third world, and throwing money at them won't change that for the long term. But in the short term, there are thousands of people dying of starvation and poverty, and aid can help to stop those needless deaths. And as the West is partly responsible for people being in this position, we have an obligation to help them. It doesn't matter how corrupt their governments are or what the political and educational infrastructure of the country is, ordinary people with no control over their own conditions are dying of starvation. If thousands of white people died every day in Britain, would you argue we should refuse to give them immediate help because it wouldn't change their social position in the long run?

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    Thank you, but there's no need to patronise me, it's not a question of intelligence, it's a question of basic human decency.

    So your gripe is that the money is spent outside Britain. With good reason. Standards of poverty in Britain are nothing compared to the absolute poverty experienced in the third world. People are in desperate, daily need of help to survive. And as for spending the money on public services, yes it would be good, but it's not a priority compared to people starving to death and furthermore public services and the NHS in particular are having more money thrown at them than ever. To use the same complaint that is levelled at third world aid: the money is not necassarily changing things in the long term. A serious infrastructure overhaul is necassary for that, but in the short term money thrown at the NHS can give people extra beds or an operation they wouldn't be able to receive normally, and those make the short term solution worthwhile. Much the same as African aid.

    Your continual insistence that Britain should look after its own citizens over anyone else no matter what is nothing but racism (omg, they cry, don't bring racism into this!), but quite simply, it is. We're among the richest nations in the world and we live a very comfortable lifestyle relative to the third world. We have a moral obligation to help.

    Lastly I'd just like to add, that given the pathetic wastage of money under New Labour, I doubt £8 billion would even amount to anything worthwhile. An overhaul of where money is spent might be more appropriate.
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    (Original post by LH)
    Because unlike the general public the government (and this is any government of any party) realises that as an advanced and prosperous nation we have a duty to help reduce the dreadful poverty in some parts of the world. A few weeks ago the Chancellor announced the budget worth around £552 billion - this isn't a lot of money in context of total spending (£8.5b over 10 years).

    Whilst we have to be careful not just to throw money at Africa it's clear that nothing can be done without the necessary resources.
    Charles Darwin would probably disagree.
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    So why don't you give your own money to Africa?
    "Because then I couldn't be a hypocrite!! :mad:"
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    (Original post by bluedreamer)
    I do, and not just Africa. It's not much, but at least I'm helping
    Feel good politics.
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    (Original post by DemonDemonic)
    Silly little carnival freak.:mad:
    Carnival freaks are people, too. Insensitive *******.
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    (Original post by Dhesi)
    Precisley.
    (Original post by Laika)
    Try and consider the people who live in Africa as actual human beings and you might begin to grasp it.
    Good. Then you give them your money, and stop telling your neighbor what to do with his.
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    (Original post by andyukguy)
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4893980.stm

    I don't see why not, our school system and NHS are simply rolling in cash.

    Probably the best way to spend tax £'s.

    If there was a vote on this, I'm 100% sure that there would be a huge majority of our population wanting the money spent here. Why are politicians so out of touch?

    Andrew
    yea, this is world government. its the UN socialism programme for trying to level teh world out. So it means us brits get to pay for education in africa.
    I agree it is a joke.
    £8 billion is quite alot of money.
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    (Original post by Rusty33)
    Good. Then you give them your money, and stop telling your neighbor what to do with his.
    Haha, jesus christ you're pathetic. It's not a question of one-upping eachother it's a question of societal and political ethics, the OP made a topic about giving aid to Africa. Did I take a wrong turn or is this the debate and discussion forum?
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    (Original post by Laika)
    Haha, jesus christ you're pathetic. It's not a question of one-upping eachother it's a question of societal and political ethics, the OP made a topic about giving aid to Africa. Did I take a wrong turn or is this the debate and discussion forum?
    Since when is it ethical to give away someone else's money?
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    (Original post by Laika)
    Haha, jesus christ you're pathetic. It's not a question of one-upping eachother it's a question of societal and political ethics, the OP made a topic about giving aid to Africa. Did I take a wrong turn or is this the debate and discussion forum?
    Stop to reffering to me by my real name. People will start bothering me if you don't.

    Your ethics and mine could be different, so don't define my beliefs for me. And, don't spend "my" money on your ethics.
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    (Original post by Rusty33)
    Stop to reffering to me by my real name. People will start bothering me if you don't.

    Your ethics and mine could be different, so don't define my beliefs for me. And, don't spend "my" money on your ethics.
    Vote for a party who wont then. In the mean time the government we have in charge have a soul and will strive to help those less fortunate.
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    Would you giving money to a homeless person if you were fairly certain that it would feed his drug addiction and make it even less likely that he'll kick the habit?
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    (Original post by Dhesi)
    Vote for a party who wont then. In the mean time the government we have in charge have a soul and will strive to help those less fortunate.
    Hoy da hoy, moron. That's the point. We are expressing displeasure with the goverments choice. What is your point?
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    (Original post by Rusty33)
    Hoy da hoy, moron. That's the point. We are expressing displeasure with the goverments choice. What is your point?
    I thought I made it quite clear, if you are unhappy with the governments choice vote for a party who will not give aid to Africa.
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    (Original post by Dhesi)
    I thought I made it quite clear, if you are unhappy with the governments choice vote for a party who will not give aid to Africa.
    Ignoring the fact that this is one of many issues, and that it's impossible to vote for a party based on simply one issue. What if the parties that don't want to give aid to Africa also want to deport all non-whites?
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Since when is it ethical to give away someone else's money?
    Since when has tax been "someone else's money"?
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    (Original post by Bismarck)
    Ignoring the fact that this is one of many issues, and that it's impossible to vote for a party based on simply one issue. What if the parties that don't want to give aid to Africa also want to deport all non-whites?
    I agree you cant vote on one issue but if you feel so strongly that you don't want starving African's getting 'your money' ,as some people have so boldly put it, then do something about it.
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    (Original post by LH)
    Since when has tax been "someone else's money"?
    Since always? Say there are two people in a country, and one wants to build a hospital. If he creates a government and taxes everyone equally to pay for the hospital (meaning he pays half and the other person pays half), despite the other person not wanting the hospital, will this person not be spending someone else's money?

    (Original post by Dhesi)
    I agree you cant vote on one issue but if you feel so strongly that you don't want starving African's getting 'your money' ,as some people have so boldly put it, then do something about it.
    So your version of democracy calls for blindly accepting the "lesser of two (or perhaps three) evils" without being able to eliminate the evil? It's very democratic to say, "we'll do whatever the people want; here are the three choices for the peopel to pick from, anything else is out of the question."
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    Democracy has always involved(for most people) picking the lesser of three evils. Anyway Im going for dinner, might rejoin this debate later on tonight.
 
 
 
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