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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    What moronic crap, you will force energy companies to lower their costs? so they are going to run at a loss are they? never going to happen, you put less thought into that than I did when I took my morning crap

    Vote tehFrance to fight against such liberal bull****, tehFrance a friend of the wealthy

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    (Original post by Mazzini)
    You used Comic Sans? I don't know you any more! :mad:
    Fine! Is this better?

    Why waste your vote on Labour, the party of those too lazy to work, when you could vote for tehFrance!

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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    Why do you continue to seek an EU referendum despite the fact the population of TSR voted to stay in the EU in a referendum already? Do you favour asking the same question over and over again?
    Our relationship with the EU is changing - we're looking at moves towards more centralisation of powers. While the UK may not be in those moves as such, it still profoundly affects our relationship with the EU and we've got to ask ourselves now 'are we happy with our current relationship? Do we want to be involved in deeper integration or do we want just a free trade agreement?' We think it's right that such we ask the people about the EU when the EU is undergoing major changes. This isn't a case of asking the same question over and over again until we withdraw from the EU - this is a case of being honest with the people and saying 'it's changing out there, what do you want from the EU?'


    Why do you want to bring back divisive schooling by re-introducing grammar schools?
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    tufc can give you a more in depth answer, but I think that diversifying our education is not necessarily a bad thing.
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    Finally get to use this.

    Tough call - Socialist or Labour...ach, I may just vote tehFrance just so he gets a seat.
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    more liberal than the liberals
    more equitable than labour
    and greener than the greens...
    vote socialist!
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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Our relationship with the EU is changing - we're looking at moves towards more centralisation of powers.
    OMG for the love of G-d, the Uk's relationship with the EU is always changing yet we had a referendum and the people have spoken, they want to remain in the EU. You should really stop being a one issue party, it is bloody boring and frankly useless to the house. We all know that the EU has more benefits than if the Uk was to be in just the EEA/EFTA which would force EU policy on the UK without a say. I personally think you are all incredibly stupid and should educate yourselves on the EU before fighting it, the problem in this country is no one is educated about the EU and thus you are all rather moronic towards it.

    Vote tehFrance, tehFrance stands up to moronic policies in regards to the EU.

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    (Original post by Moleman1996)
    When's the mass PM going out?
    As it's Easter weekend I'm guessing not until Tuesday.
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    (Original post by JPKC)
    A rather dull manifesto from the Tories, barely any populist right-wing red meat in it. Also interesting to see that the Libertarians' manifesto is basically just a hark back to their former grandeur, and a reactionary response to our agenda during the last term. As for Labour and the Greens, I like the manifestos, even though they're not quite "sickeningly socialist" enough for my own personal taste. It's nice we have decent common ground.



    On cannabis, we would like to make it legal for local authorities to grant licenses for its sale to local businesses so as to allow some areas to emulate the cannabis cafe culture of Amsterdam. Why should people have to go into pharmacies to buy pot? Doesn't make sense to me. It's a product that comes in so many different varieties, it would be extremely unlikely that a pharmacy would be able to provide all of the different strains.

    As for the rehabilitation section of the Narcotics Act 2011, it's laughable. A phone line alone is not going to make any difference to drug users trying to escape addiction, and replacement therapy was already legal.



    The bill we have in the sub-forum includes an exemption from the smoking ban for such cafes. Also, as local authorities will have the ultimate say over the licensing of such businesses, if they believe that their existence is causing a nuisance then they can simply close them.

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    On the subject of our 'reactionary' polices, if bills are passed which violate the human rights of UK citizens and risk our country's ability to trade with other nations, we are rather forced to react. We can't, as libertarians, in good conscience ignore the human rights violations of the previous government for the sake of a more forward looking manifesto.

    As to the rehab stuff you have suggested, that's an aye from me, the idea of walk in centres sounds reasonable and would take the burden off of the GPs by setting up a direct self-referral procedure, but I would suggest caution over the detention powers, because these people are doing nothing illegal, so detaining them would require something along the lines of sectioning them under the mental health act. It would have to be a last resort measure and stringent checks would be needed to prevent abuse.

    On the cannabis cafes, this seems a more reasonable idea than street smoking, which has the issues I outlined above, though I would suggest that regulations for such businesses include: More regular mandatory staff breaks, staff to work no more than 4 consecutive hours in the smoking area without 1 hour out of it, regular health evaluations for staff, a separate delivery area which must be ventilated to ensure that delivery drivers do not inhale the smoke.

    I would rather see the smoking ban adjusted to allow businesses to opt-out, with the agreement of staff, which would allow your cannabis cafes while preventing the issue of classifying a mixed tobacco/cannabis cigarettes, and the slight hypocrisy of allowing one type of indoor smoking while banning another.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    OMG for the love of G-d, the Uk's relationship with the EU is always changing yet we had a referendum and the people have spoken, they want to remain in the EU. You should really stop being a one issue party, it is bloody boring and frankly useless to the house. We all know that the EU has more benefits than if the Uk was to be in just the EEA/EFTA which would force EU policy on the UK without a say. I personally think you are all incredibly stupid and should educate yourselves on the EU before fighting it, the problem in this country is no one is educated about the EU and thus you are all rather moronic towards it.

    Vote tehFrance, tehFrance stands up to moronic policies in regards to the EU.

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    1) If you actually read our manifesto and saw our activity in this House, you would see that we have a vast array of policies - not just on the EU.

    2) Yes, but the extent to which the EU is changing now means that the people should have a fresh say on the EU issue. We trust the people on the EU issue and to make an informed decision on the EU which is why we are proud to be working with the voters and pushing for a referendum on the EU.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    OMG for the love of G-d, the Uk's relationship with the EU is always changing yet we had a referendum and the people have spoken, they want to remain in the EU. You should really stop being a one issue party, it is bloody boring and frankly useless to the house. We all know that the EU has more benefits than if the Uk was to be in just the EEA/EFTA which would force EU policy on the UK without a say. I personally think you are all incredibly stupid and should educate yourselves on the EU before fighting it, the problem in this country is no one is educated about the EU and thus you are all rather moronic towards it.
    I disagree totally. The people spoke back in July 2010 and in the 2 3/4 years since then we have seen a huge change in both the UK's relationship with Europe in and around the financial crisis and also in the public's perception of that. Just a quick glance at the UK Politics or the News & Current Affairs forum will show you the large number of threads related to the EU or the perceived rise of RL UKIP in recent months. I don't think it can be denied that the issue of Europe has moved much more into the foreground of current political debate.

    As our manifesto shows we are far from a one issue party and have been active in the previous term on a whole range of issues; including for example the successful bill about the use of Open Source Software by government departments. Far removed from an endless rhetoric about Europe that you seem to be implying. We are a million miles away from that as both our words in the manifesto and our actions in previous terms demonstrate
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    Wait did I just witness a Libertarian and a Socialist agree with eachother? Mark this day down in history fellas (and lasses).
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    (Original post by MacDaddi)
    Considering people profit off food, and that is a basic human need.

    What we will do instead of free water, we can return it back to private hands and in turn lower taxes, giving people choice where they can spend their money.
    This is a false argument though. You don't really have a choice in whether you need water. Water also isn't quite as diverse as food and it is all pretty much the same so it's not the same kind of basic human need as food. Also nobody had a choice in who provided their water before nationalisation so the normal free market principles you're trying to use here are pretty irrelevant. It's not like energy where you can choose provider to cut costs - you're stuck with the one you've got and the company can charge you whatever they want.


    By charging for it as well we are encouraging more responsible use of it, seeming as there is a big north/south divide in terms of water distribution i think that is particularly necessary in the south.
    By charging for it you're going to ensure that the only beneficiaries of your policy are those who have a vested interest in profiteering from the water supply. I'm not condoning the fact the Socialists and Labour stole the water companies without any compensation but I do believe that water shouldn't be open to the abuse of the free market or in the water system we replaced by nationalisation - the not-so-free market. It leads to an increase in prices with no or little justification for doing so especially with a lack of competition.

    (Original post by Birchington)
    We will look to cap the maximum amount of interest they can legally charge on loan repayments. Currently the APR can exceed 5000%, which is disgusting. We'll look to set the maximum legal APR at 50% to protect consumers.
    I definitely support this policy however why not extend this to all lenders?

    Our anti-monopoly plans will mainly apply to future media deals, although we will consider making anti-monopoly legislation retrospective - which will affect the size of Murdoch's UK empire.
    That sounds like a sensible policy, it should hopefully give room for new players to emerge in the market well if certain aspects of the big monopolies are completely wound down, although I fear that may go over the line between breaking up and illiberal interference in the media. Whilst we're on the subject of the media have you got any plans for press regulation reform?

    As the railways in TSR-land are now nationalised, we'll look to streamline state rail franchises between long-distance and local to ensure funding can be better allocated according to the specific demands of long/short distance rail travel. We also plan to increase Network Rail's budget so that infrastructure can be upgraded nationwide and try to eliminate existing regional disparities where some areas get more money, but others lose out.
    No plans for liberalisation of the railway companies then, that's a relief. Out of interested, in these tightened times, where would the money for increasing Network Rails funding come from? Also how do you define these regional disparities? As surely you recognise being more densely populated, areas like the south need more funding than the less populated Scottish highlands or Cumbrian fells. Although I must admit, I haven't checked the figures to see if the differences are in line with this common sense.

    (Original post by chrisawhitmore)
    We stand for the human rights of all people. This includes their right to own property without fear of a government arbitrarily and in direct violation of the UN declaration of human rights, to which the UK is a signatory, stealing that property.

    Water is not free. The method of payment has switched from direct payment to paying through taxes.
    It's not somebodies human right to be in control of a natural monopoly on a basic human right. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

    (Original post by tehFrance)
    By fudging the numbers.
    I'd expect nothing less. Once a Tory always a Tory.

    (Original post by JPKC)
    CLS has already answered the part concerning rehab centres. Yes, it will apply to all drugs.

    Under current TSR Law, private sector pharmaceutical corporations are allowed to sell cannabis for profit in pharmacies. Whilst we don't want to stop this, we believe that legalising cannabis cafes will make the business more of a cottage industry - as it is in Amsterdam. And cannabis isn't a harmful drug.
    But why do you want to make it more of a cottage industry. As you rightly point out, at least in terms of health effects, cannabis isn't harmful. Why not go a step further and allow complete legalisation of cannabis? it won't harm anybody.

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    (Original post by toronto353)
    Our relationship with the EU is changing - we're looking at moves towards more centralisation of powers. While the UK may not be in those moves as such, it still profoundly affects our relationship with the EU and we've got to ask ourselves now 'are we happy with our current relationship? Do we want to be involved in deeper integration or do we want just a free trade agreement?' We think it's right that such we ask the people about the EU when the EU is undergoing major changes. This isn't a case of asking the same question over and over again until we withdraw from the EU - this is a case of being honest with the people and saying 'it's changing out there, what do you want from the EU?'
    I am aware of the changing nature of the EU ad that we need to renegotiate but you're plan isn't leaving much scope for renegotiation. You're not seeking to ask people what they want from the EU. You're seeking to ask whether they want the EU or not, you're proposed referendum leaves nowhere for those who want to remain in the European union but want a bit more power heading back our way to go. Which arguably is the vast majority of people. It's like holding an election and given the Socialists and Libertarians - what about all those people in the middle?


    tufc can give you a more in depth answer, but I think that diversifying our education is not necessarily a bad thing.
    It's not a diversification, it's a dividing based on making the completely unfair judgement that somebody's ability to pass an 11+ exam, or some style of exam/assessment at 11, is somehow indicative of what they'll be able to achieve with the right teaching over the next few years of their education when they learn the most.
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    (Original post by tehFrance)
    OMG for the love of G-d, the Uk's relationship with the EU is always changing yet we had a referendum and the people have spoken, they want to remain in the EU. You should really stop being a one issue party, it is bloody boring and frankly useless to the house. We all know that the EU has more benefits than if the Uk was to be in just the EEA/EFTA which would force EU policy on the UK without a say. I personally think you are all incredibly stupid and should educate yourselves on the EU before fighting it, the problem in this country is no one is educated about the EU and thus you are all rather moronic towards it.

    Vote tehFrance, tehFrance stands up to moronic policies in regards to the EU.

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    I agree with that point. We should leave the EU and not be part of EFTA etc we should form our own free trade deal without anything else attached to it.
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    Good luck to all parties and independents, should be an interesting election :lol: :yy:
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    This is a false argument though. You don't really have a choice in whether you need water. Water also isn't quite as diverse as food and it is all pretty much the same so it's not the same kind of basic human need as food. Also nobody had a choice in who provided their water before nationalisation so the normal free market principles you're trying to use here are pretty irrelevant. It's not like energy where you can choose provider to cut costs - you're stuck with the one you've got and the company can charge you whatever they want.




    By charging for it you're going to ensure that the only beneficiaries of your policy are those who have a vested interest in profiteering from the water supply. I'm not condoning the fact the Socialists and Labour stole the water companies without any compensation but I do believe that water shouldn't be open to the abuse of the free market or in the water system we replaced by nationalisation - the not-so-free market. It leads to an increase in prices with no or little justification for doing so especially with a lack of competition.



    I definitely support this policy however why not extend this to all lenders?



    That sounds like a sensible policy, it should hopefully give room for new players to emerge in the market well if certain aspects of the big monopolies are completely wound down, although I fear that may go over the line between breaking up and illiberal interference in the media. Whilst we're on the subject of the media have you got any plans for press regulation reform?



    No plans for liberalisation of the railway companies then, that's a relief. Out of interested, in these tightened times, where would the money for increasing Network Rails funding come from? Also how do you define these regional disparities? As surely you recognise being more densely populated, areas like the south need more funding than the less populated Scottish highlands or Cumbrian fells. Although I must admit, I haven't checked the figures to see if the differences are in line with this common sense.



    It's not somebodies human right to be in control of a natural monopoly on a basic human right. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.

    On the issue of water, can you at least agree that paying for water directly, rather than through taxation, encourages more efficient use of it, by hitting people and businesses who waste water in the wallet? The Government's 'free' water will encourage waste, raising the effective price of water for consumers.

    As to the 'needs of the many', there is nobody in the UK who can't afford water. This idea that there are people somewhere who are dehydrating because they can't afford the prices of your fictional water barons is dishonest and so the 'need' you are talking about is their 'need' for lower prices, (which this nationalization may or may not provide, the loss of profit margins being weighed against the loss of efficiency in the system, ignoring the massive cost incurred when the UK's credit rating is downgraded as it occurs that your 'needs of the many' argument could just as well be used to justify defaulting on our debts) which is rather outweighed by the need of a people to live in a society where human rights are unconditional and apply to all, and where the government doesn't just steal what it wants when it wants it.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    I am aware of the changing nature of the EU ad that we need to renegotiate but you're plan isn't leaving much scope for renegotiation. You're not seeking to ask people what they want from the EU. You're seeking to ask whether they want the EU or not, you're proposed referendum leaves nowhere for those who want to remain in the European union but want a bit more power heading back our way to go. Which arguably is the vast majority of people. It's like holding an election and given the Socialists and Libertarians - what about all those people in the middle?
    It's important to begin by stating that we make no apologies for our stance on the EU. However, you make a good point about unpacking what exactly we mean a bit more. We seek the following: withdrawal the EU (that is our stance and that is what we'd campaign for in a referendum) and a referendum on the EU. Now that is not to state that the question is set in stone - we'd seek to work with parties for a question which is right for the people of the UK - if that involves three options - withdrawal, renegotiation (though this would be difficult to really achieve in TSR land) and the status quo, then so be it. Our policy is clear in what we want though - we want a referendum on the EU (question containing at least withdrawal and remaining in the EU and possibly a renegotiation option) and we want to withdraw from the EU.


    It's not a diversification, it's a dividing based on making the completely unfair judgement that somebody's ability to pass an 11+ exam, or some style of exam/assessment at 11, is somehow indicative of what they'll be able to achieve with the right teaching over the next few years of their education when they learn the most.
    Again that's not to say that we wouldn't look at reforming the system, but we seek a diversified education system with pupils getting the right tuition for their needs.
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    (Original post by The Mad Dog)
    I'd expect nothing less. Once a Tory always a Tory.
    It isn't a Tory thing to fudge numbers you know, it is an Oligarch's prerogative :smug:

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    (Original post by Tactical Nuclear Penguin)
    As it's Easter weekend I'm guessing not until Tuesday.
    If that is the case this going to end up a bit like a by-election where only those involved in those actually bother with it. Could be an interesting test for Rakas's theory of abolishing the mass PM to see how much of the turnout is after it.
 
 
 
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