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    (Original post by tor-na-var)
    She is not getting a state funeral.
    She is getting a ceremonial funeral, the same as Sir Winston Churchill, Princess Diana and the Queen Mother received. State funerals are reserved for heads of state, ie HM Queen.
    All three got state funerals, the Queen Mother by right, Churchill by royal decree (and public acclaim), and Diana because of political expediency (having left the royal family, she wasn't entitled to one, and wouldn't have had one if the Blair hadn't intervened).

    But as you say, Thatcher isn't getting one, and quite rightly, in my view. State funerals should be reserved for people who have united (or tried to unite) the country, and she never attempted to do that.
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    Obviously those shouting their mouths off in protest, objecting about funeral costs have missed the point that that is exactly what is going to make it expensive in the first place - precautionary measures put in place in case the more loony types turn up and cause mayhem.

    And these protesting have just demonstrated (literally) that there is a sound rationale for the authorities expecting disorder, just by the level of poisonous bile spewed to date...
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    Obviously those shouting their mouths off in protest, objecting about funeral costs have missed the point that that is exactly what is going to make it expensive in the first place - precautionary measures put in place in case the more loony types turn up and cause mayhem.

    And these protesting have just demonstrated (literally) that there is a sound rationale for the authorities expecting disorder, just by the level of poisonous bile spewed to date...
    I agree. The security bill would be largely reduced if there wasn't a danger from leftists and the RIRA.

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    i cant believe she died in the Ritz
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    Marky boy can cough up and redeem himself for all the **** he's caused as well as his mother. He's rich enough and what happened to the recession? I love how we can afford to blow money on events such as this but make employment cuts throughout the nation.

    Too controversial to even warrant a state funded funeral... Well played DC.
    Saying that are we going to have a funeral for every PM who stands out in some way? Wonder if Blair will get one :holmes:
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    (Original post by nixonsjellybeans)
    Marky boy can cough up and redeem himself for all the **** he's caused as well as his mother. He's rich enough and what happened to the recession? I love how we can afford to blow money on events such as this but make employment cuts throughout the nation.

    Too controversial to even warrant a state funded funeral... Well played DC.
    Saying that are we going to have a funeral for every PM who stands out in some way? Wonder if Blair will get one :holmes:
    Why should Thatchers funeral be taxpayer funded when in her day they were sold off to the lowest bidder
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    (Original post by Hilly1)
    Lol xD you're comparing the greatest peacetime prime minister the UK has had with a former big brother contestant? *facepalm*

    She's getting a funeral with full military honours, that's big in its own right.

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    She wasn't a peacetime prime minister, have you heard of the Falklands?
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    Why should Thatchers funeral be taxpayer funded when in her day they were sold off to the lowest bidder
    Exactly, i'm arguing it shouldnt be this country has enough so called financial problems without spending more money on something pointless while jobs could be saved.
    Mark thatcher can pay for it on his own easily.
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    As the greatest peacetime leader who didn't believe in the state funding things.

    No.


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    (Original post by Hilly1)
    As Britain's greatest peacetime leader should she?

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    She said she didn't want one.
    So the military honour one she is getting is a good compromise
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    Technically she isn't having a full state funeral but it is being paid for by the state.

    Just for the irony she should have a private funeral because it will be all privatised just like loads of other sectors.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I'd be interested to see if that 33million is actually reclaimed by the government
    I would bet everything on them claiming inheritance tax. No one is exempt especially with that amount.

    30m+from her death >3m funeral.

    So without any bias it could justify her funeral as the first woman and 'distinctive' prime minister. One of the most famous of all time with Winston.




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    (Original post by Maybach)
    I would bet everything on them claiming inheritance tax. No one is exempt especially with that amount.

    30m+from her death >3m funeral.

    So without any bias it could justify her funeral as the first woman and 'distinctive' prime minister. One of the most famous of all time with Winston.




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    I would be very surprised if that turned out to be the case, I'd expect it to be funnelled into some offshore bank accounts or the government to push through its ban on inheritance tax, or something like that.

    The point still stands, because the idea of state sponsored funerals isn't good, especially at a time of cuts. But if the case is that 33 million is reclaimed then it does take the sting out somewhat.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I would be very surprised if that turned out to be the case, I'd expect it to be funnelled into some offshore bank accounts or the government to push through its ban on inheritance tax, or something like that.
    You mean just like the Milibands did after Miliband Snr died?
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    You mean just like the Milibands did after Miliband Snr died?
    I'm not sure, but wouldn't surprise me, it's a rich thing, not necessarily a Tory thing.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I'm not sure, but wouldn't surprise me, it's a rich thing, not necessarily a Tory thing.
    So you are saying that the less well off aren't up for a bit of tax avoidance when they get the opportunity?

    With inheritance tax allowance at £325,000, you don't have to be 'rich' to see a whole lot of your hard earned capital estate, accrued over many years of hard graft disappear unless you take advice from an accountant, tax avoidance in other words.
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    (Original post by marcusfox)
    So you are saying that the less well off aren't up for a bit of tax avoidance when they get the opportunity?

    With inheritance tax allowance at £325,000, you don't have to be 'rich' to see a whole lot of your hard earned capital estate, accrued over many years of hard graft disappear unless you take advice from an accountant, tax avoidance in other words.
    There becomes a stage when tax avoidance probably isn't financially worth it, but of all the taxes, inheritance tax does strike me as a tad unfair. Make no mistake, tax rates should still be larger for those who can afford it but I disagree with death equating to an additional tax.
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    She was a longest serving PM in last century- so yeah, she should get a state funeral.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    There becomes a stage when tax avoidance probably isn't financially worth it, but of all the taxes, inheritance tax does strike me as a tad unfair. Make no mistake, tax rates should still be larger for those who can afford it but I disagree with death equating to an additional tax.
    Yes, after all, the money that you have in your estate before you die has already been taxed at least once, whether you earned it, or inherited it from your father who earned it.

    Except on the rare occasion that its a lottery win, of course, but I don't begrudge those people their luck.
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    (Original post by That Bearded Man)
    I would be very surprised if that turned out to be the case, I'd expect it to be funnelled into some offshore bank accounts or the government to push through its ban on inheritance tax, or something like that.

    The point still stands, because the idea of state sponsored funerals isn't good, especially at a time of cuts. But if the case is that 33 million is reclaimed then it does take the sting out somewhat.
    They did announce that she had 'left' a 60m+ million account .. So I'm guessing it will be taxed.
    Regardless it's stupid to jump to assumptions. Surely she changed the fortunes of the country (neutrally speaking) so saved billions of pounds etc surely 3m is worth that


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